is selling housing bannable?

[Morzy]

Well they could either sell it, or just not give it up since they won't get anything back for it. If they choose not to sell it, you still can't buy the house. Just because people don't understand supply and demand is no reason to dislike the people that can work a good business system. I'm not for or against it, just stating an opinion.

Working a good business system? We're talking about a disruptive system and you call it good? Get out of here man.

[Felis]

Is it banable? How is this any different than selling any other in game items for Gil?

Because you don't buy an item. You only pay someone millions so that he burn down his house, and then millions again to buy the plot before someone else do it.

[Kai_Lee]

The auto demolishing has been temporarily disable, so if you cant get a house in 3.3, the wait is going to be very long. If you are sitting on a wad of gil and want a house, I really don't see any other way other then to buy it off of someone.

[Zelas]

Is it banable? How is this any different than selling any other in game items for Gil?

It's not the same. You're not selling the house itself. You're selling the chance to buy the house.

Technically, it's as if someone bought the last pie at the supermarket, then you had to pay that person 5-10 times the price they paid for it so they'll put it back on the counter for you to buy at its original price. It's technically blackmail, and no 100% guarantee that someone else won't walk by and buy the pie while you're not looking.

That, and it's leading to some very shady behavior, like people going in a pair to a house and having one person spam trade requests to an honest buyer while their friend grabs the house, to then resell the right to buy it for several times the original price.

There's absolutely nothing that can really defend this makeshift system. Not even the fact that the housing system is flawed. You're encouraging the most toxic behavior in this game by trying to justify it, when everyone should instead be reporting it at much as possible to show their discontent with it.

Lastly, if you're desperate enough for a house that you'd encourage the kind of behavior that's keeping you from getting one in the first place, then you're also a part of the problem.

[papichulo123]

so why cant they make a better system? its ridiciolous someone has to pay someone to demolish and then pay again for the plot thats retarted

[papichulo123]

this is a huge issue why have they not addressed this or done anything to improve?

[worldofneil]

Playing devil's advocate so please forgive me, but I have to ask, has any one seen anyone actually get a warning for relinquishing the plot for money?

As in specifically not using the word selling, but only saying they were just going to give up/relinquish the land for a fee. I haven't tried it myself and I have no intention to try and find out, but if that is all someone is promising they'll do (give up the land), and they do it, how is that really against the rules currently set out by SE? Saying you're selling a house and then only relinquishing the land I can understand, you haven't provided the service you were selling, but saying you're going to relinquish and then following through on that...

All the threads/posts I've seen on it where people got warnings were because they used words to say they were "selling the house" (which isn't what they were going to do). Is it actually possible GMs are only having problems with people saying things that aren't true?

Very happy to be wrong, just asking the question is all...

[Alistaire]

As others have stated in this thread, YOUR (and mine, for that matter) point of view isn't relevant. What matters is what the GM says.

The crazy thing here is we have at least one incident going either way where a GM has been screenshotted and posted to forums, one saying it was ok, and another incident where a guy got a warning...and there's been no word from SE on what the stance actually should be, despite numerous threads here asking for that.

As for why it's shady at all a part of it is how the seller can't even guarantee the sale. If you buy from someone and they relinquish and someone else grabs it before you do that'd be an annoying situation for SE to have to handle. It's not a likely situation for sure but the possibility is what they'd want to avoid.

[Celef]

The crazy thing here is we have at least one incident going either way where a GM has been screenshotted and posted to forums, one saying it was ok, and another incident where a guy got a warning...and there's been no word from SE on what the stance actually should be, despite numerous threads here asking for that.

As for why it's shady at all a part of it is how the seller can't even guarantee the sale. If you buy from someone and they relinquish and someone else grabs it before you do that'd be an annoying situation for SE to have to handle. It's not a likely situation for sure but the possibility is what they'd want to avoid.

Add that the player you're paying might not even reliquish the plot, double screwed

[AlphaFox]

To my knowledge it is, I have reported people who advertised or tried to sell and the GMs did respond that it is against the TOS. Didn't think to snap the reply or conversation at the time though.