At this rate it'll take ages for me to 200-210 my relic.

[MeiUshu]

I gave up on the overall relics because of the grind and the impossibility for me to get people for fates especially in Azys la (during the times I am up). I was in one group doing fates but when they got their cristals they just dropped and didnt care of the rest that didnt reach the number required.

I ran fates in Sea of Clouds and in more than an hour while the others two in my group had soo many cristals (6 each) I barely got 1. When you have that kind of luck you just dont bother, frustration over that kind of stuff is not worth it and the alternate way to get a ilvl 230 weapon is fine (even if it takes 7 weeks of Midas)

I do believe that the alternate means to get ilvl 230 weapon is fine and dandy as it is. People complain about the relic, but nobody forces anyone to do anything they didnt choose to do in the first place. If you dont like it just dont do it and find an alternate way, in my opinion that is. It isnt like you didnt know it would be a grind and it was hidden from you making you believe it would be all easy right ? the word relic entails already ...long hours of grinding and grinding and grinding and grinding.

There is a choice out there everyone is free to make it BUT once you make it why complain ? Especially that you can change your mind with not real conséquences as such if not a sensation of having lost your time.

Maybe is me but I am not quite sure I got the real problem behind this post, if it is too complicated, too long or too frustrating neither for me being a real problem because of the choice of starting something that in essence is all that BUT if the complain is because of RNG involved then I agree, it could be changed but for what ? more grind ?...even in that I am not too sure

I seem to recall that people didnt want stuff to be handed over to people and when you get that you (general you) complain that it is too hard.

Conclusion : It is true you cant satisfy all

[Synestra]

the impossibility for me to get people for fates especially in Azys la (during the times I am up).

Fates are actually faster to do when they scale for single player, if you have DPS or Tank job even boss fates melts in seconds and you can always have your chocobo(healer spec)to help in combat. Atleast i have always preferred to do fates solo when there are no other peoples messing around and pulling extra trash mobs that arent even part of the fate(yes some peoples cant even do fates properly...)

Just wanted to point this out :>

[MeiUshu]

Fates are actually faster to do when they scale for single player, if you have DPS or Tank job even boss fates melts in seconds and you can always have your chocobo(healer spec)to help in combat. Atleast i have always preferred to do fates solo when there are no other peoples messing around and pulling extra trash mobs that arent even part of the fate(yes some peoples cant even do fates properly...)

Just wanted to point this out :>

Yeah I tried that is just though a real pain.. .normal zones is not a problem, other zones is not that easy.

[Vaer]

What somewhat irks me about this, being a similar boat, is they specifically mentioned making it such a massive grind due to equating it to the difficulty of Gordias. Well, Gordias saw a substantial nerf and the Anima weapon is now a step below Savage raid weapons. So... why isn't the grind also nerfed?

They toned down the step after instead. 1800x5 or 5 weeks doing a faceroll weekly that you can actually work on in parallel with unid. They didn't nerf it because it's still being built upon. Yeah it's only 210 for that step but the step to bring it up to 230 (relevant ilvl for most people) is really easy so most of the work is front loaded with the unid items.

[Hyperia]

I am getting the feeling like the whole 3.X series is just one big mess. I am very tempted to wait till 4.0 comes out and hope that they have learned their lesson that "hard is fun" and "git good" will only alienate their customers. I had 3 relics done in the same period where I am only 80% done with the first step of this grind. I wish they would understand that a lot of us have multiple jobs at 60 and we would like to have relics on all of them. We could do that in 2.X but unless you have crazy amount of free time and bottomless pockets, that just isn't possible currently. With Savage killing off raiding for the most part, I was hoping I could keep myself busy in the game by doing the relics. With the relics being such an un-fun grind in its current form, I am finding myself drifting away from the game. I was praying for a 210 phase nerf in 3.3 but that isn't happening so yea... I will probably wrap up the MSQ in 3.3 and then find something else to do.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I am getting the feeling like the whole 3.X series is just one big mess. I am very tempted to wait till 4.0 comes out and hope that they have learned their lesson that "hard is fun" and "git good" will only alienate their customers.

Sorry but I can't take anyone serious if they make comments like casuals aren't being catered to in this game.... SMH, literally 95% of the game is made for toddlers. But you guys STILL want to focus on the 5% that is not... sigh.

[Snugglebutt]

ugh. crystals are not even the annoying part other than it sucks if nobody else is doing fates and you have to solo them.

SE seem to have not realized the reason there are people with less crystals because they are farmed quicker and by proxy handed in quicker so do not remain in the inventory for as long. In terms of how long takes to farm crystals it took me a few days, it will take me probably a month or two to farm all the eso/poetics and allied seals to trade in for the logs/saps and such in between all the other daily grinds like reputations, gear, MGP, red scrips and leveling alt classes.

[Hyperia]

Sorry but I can't take anyone serious if they make comments like casuals aren't being catered to in this game.... SMH, literally 95% of the game is made for toddlers. But you guys STILL want to focus on the 5% that is not... sigh.

Ok, where do you expect most of the people to get the millions of gil it takes to get the crafted items? There hard as heck to make, so that requires the Omni-crafter people and there rare and expensive. The materials are also rare as it requires Diadiam gathering... oh yea, fun place, literally nobody does it anymore. So yea, its a mess.

[Kaurie]

Ok, where do you expect most of the people to get the millions of gil it takes to get the crafted items? There hard as heck to make, so that requires the Omni-crafter people and there rare and expensive. The materials are also rare as it requires Diadiam gathering... oh yea, fun place, literally nobody does it anymore. So yea, its a mess.

You're able to get a decent amount of gil by sending your retainers out on quick ventures and selling the stuff they bring back. Once Eikon mats were added, you easily turn 20 esoterics into 40k gil, which meant 2000 esoterics would equal 4 million gil (almost what the mats cost on the MB). The demand for eikon mats has greatly reduced though, so it's not quite as good for gil any more.

[DroFrehter]

I feel your pain, OP, and it is a crazy amount of a grind. I have found that I can get 2-4 a day doing roulettes and hunts. I don't know what the hunt situation is like on your server but it is active on my server and it works out pretty well. Don't forget you can earn UI more than with just ESO/Poetics. Also have Allied Seals (do ARR hunts) and Amal' Jaa/Vath/Vundu beastribe currency and of course Gordias as you mentioned. The relic grind is rough for sure but if you played FFXI, then you know this is way less punishing than it was in that game.