Patch 3.3 (Trailer) Discussion (2.x - 3.2 Spoilers)

[Yasuhiro]

Scáthach is actually referenced as the queen in the coffin in the VA story which makes a lot of sense. The name is actually referencing Irish/Scottish Mythology. She was a female warrior that lived in a place called Dún Scáith, which translates into Fortress of Shadows(an appropriate name for a Void Queen's lair I think). She is most well known for being the tutor of Ferdiad (who shares the name of the Voidsent we met in Amdipor Keep HM) and Cúchulainn(who shares a name of the third Voidsent boss in VA), who also interestingly was the wielder of Gae Blog.

I don't know if her name has actually been used in FF games before though.

Haha, thanks I did google it beforehand and came across an interesting wikipedia page about her which I read all of just forgot to edit my post Like I stated above I'm not so good with "villain" names and need a refresher on XIV's story it seems. Thanks for the reply tho.

Searched high and low but yeah no name mentioned in FF except this one. FFwikia hasn't got a page about Scathach either for the XIV section.
I recognize the name from Shin Megami Tensei series tho. http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Scathach that game uses a lot of names and backstory from mythology for demons you encounter!

[Morningstar1337]

I must be the only one that has no strong attachments to any of the villains in this game. I'm the kind of guy that prefers the bad guys to stay down and stay there instead of coming back because lol reasons *looks at Sephiroth and Sin from the audio drama*

I blame Draco In Leather Pants for that

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Nah, that trope is more for people that make villains into something they're not, such as making Sephiroth as someone who can be forgiven, even though he killed many people and tried to destroy the world.++

I think what you're looking for is Evil is Cool

[Fenral]

While I am hopeful (believe, even) that there is a way to save Estinien, there may not be as well. We shouldn't just give up on saving him, but on the other hand, we have to accept we may be unable to. Letting (Estinien-)Nidhogg walk after the climactic Final Steps of Faith would be both a disservice to Ishgard and Estinien; we can't just let him roam free to continue terrorizing Ishgard, and if there is absolutely positively no way to free him, I would like to think Estinien would prefer the release of death to being used as Nidhogg's meat puppet. That too is salvation... after a fashion.

If you mean you want a way to contain him after the final battle and prevent further damage, assuming the power of hugs doesn't work at first...

I actually remembered there is one thing, and Alphinaud knows about it: Allagan Neurolinks. Binding Coil tech. If he really can't admit there's a stash buried under Northern Thanalan (even to save a friend), he can ask one of the nodes flying around Azys Lla, assuming we're allowed to go there outside of the Triad storyline. Hell, Alisaie could do the legwork herself and make the delivery in person.

It wouldn't need to be forever, just long enough to get him straightened out.

[Morningstar1337]

Nah, that trope is more for people that make villains into something they're not, such as making Sephiroth as someone who can be forgiven, even though he killed many people and tried to destroy the world.++

I think what you're looking for is Evil is Cool

Neither are Mutually exclusive. One can find a villain sympathetic because they are so badass, and their sympathetic qualities may be the reason they are seen as cool in the first place (see: Gaius). But you have to admit that shipping would factor somewhat into a villain's popularity and popularity-induced revivals :P

Lahabrea's case however is a moot point as he already used his "Get out of death free" card after we pushed him off Thancred's body. It is very likely that his death will serve as a precedent to us shedding the reliance of a rare substance (Auracite) in order to kill Ascians. In fact I find it possible that once we are able to so what Thordian did to Lahabrea (minus absorbing the aether), then that becomes the catalyst to the survivng Ascians to play it safe and back off for 4.0 to at least 5.0

[Theodric]

Sephiroth was painted as doing pretty awful things, yes. That doesn't mean the tragic circumstances of his existence can't be sympathised with. Plus FF7 is the same game where some of the protagonists engage in misguided terrorism and kill a lot of innocent people themselves in the process.

[Yasuhiro]

I blame Draco In Leather Pants for that

That image with the caption is funny, reminds me of how people think Cloud is emo in FFVII and I say "did we play the same game!?"

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Sephiroth was painted as doing pretty awful things, yes. That doesn't mean the tragic circumstances of his existence can't be sympathised with. Plus FF7 is the same game where some of the protagonists engage in misguided terrorism and kill a lot of innocent people themselves in the process.

I meant that people think the bad guys should be forgiven because of their sad past, not that they can't show sympathy. Not to mention that Barrett was called out on his actions.

[CyrilLucifer]

I blame Draco In Leather Pants for that

That's really not my case. I mean, you can't even do that with Lahabrea. You might be able to make this argument in an expansion or two if we're shown more of a grey side of things in the Zodiark/Hydaelyn conflict, though.
My issue is that I really am not fond of the protagonists in this game. Ysayle and Estinien were the only HW primaries I actually enjoyed; the Scions are basically just blah to me and Krile and Yugiri definitely aren't really helping on that front. I adored Moenbryda, but, er, yeah. Middy would have made an incredibly interesting addition to 3.0 if he had more than 5 lines over 3 scenes.

Now Lahabrea? He's fun. And is an interesting case where the villain learns from his mistakes and corrects them throughout the course of 2.X (thanks for mucking that up, Igeyorhm; you should have killed the WoL when you had the chance. Also, stop being impatient and put that crystal away, that's not a good -). Plus, I'm not going to lie, his little impatient whining with his arms across the chest at the end of 2.0 was adorable. I'm not even going to try to defend my reasoning there.
Elidibus? Super interesting. Incredibly so. Do I need to explain why? I don't think this needs an explanation.

Nero, too, is wonderful. I'm not sure if I need to explain this, either, but I appreciate the greyness of his character and his changes over time.

I don't necessarily like Thordan, but I find him more interesting than Aymeric just about every day of the week. The same can be said of Gaius.

Unrelated, but I can't for the life of me remember that female sky pirate antagonist's name off the top of my head. So it's not like I just enjoy villains for the sake of being villains.

[Nalien]

I'd like Lahabrea to still be kicking just for the plot potential... I can spin Shinryu, Omega, and a fake Zodiark out of Lahabrea still scheming away as Nidhoggs eye floater... Plus it would mean we accidentally saved him... Twice... Once when we stopped Thordan before he had the chance to chow down on that sweet Ascian aether sitting in his sword, and once more when we finish Nidhogg off and free him from Pelamar... Plus having Lahabrea be Charn makes me laugh, but these are not joke-references I expect anyone to understand...

It's just how I'd write things... I'd rather see a long running villain snake his way back, than kill one off to replace with Derplander, of all people... Derplander can work, but Lahabrea has had far more time to develop as a character, while Derplander has had zero development beyond being a stalker... Derplander (and Elidibus, I guess) just reminds me of Bravely Default, and not in a good way... I loath the whole "If you knew TheTruth™!" plot point for the same reason I consider pretty much the entire cast of Bravely Default to be complete and utter morons... I'd much rather see Lahabrea sneak back, surprising everyone and become Zodiark (given the last two Primals he worked on functioned that way, plus that one 2.55 line I'm reading way too much into), and have that be what creates a common ground between us and Elidibus, rather than some utterly inane secret... I just find that much more interesting than Derplander turning around and going "You don't understand... Hydaelyn invented raisin cookies!", lord knows little else is going to justify the mountains of dead the Ascians plans are built upon...