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    Thats an interesting point of view. I did not feel I was playing poorly at all, as I was keeping up with the stun dispel, and keeping players topped up. I feel I just wasn't going above and beyond with my damage as I usually do and for that I feel I was neither playing poorly or being inconsiderate.

    Another interesting point I'd like to bring up is as a healer you experience 2 kinds of players:
    Those who are upset with you for damaging
    and
    those who are upset with you for not damaging.

    Personally, I believe healers that damage are generally the better players. Putting in more effort to maximize the spot in the group. Is it fair to say all healers should fit this mold? Personally I think its impossible to do so. Its like saying you're a bad tank because you don't do only really big pulls. Sure those who can do that and use defensives properly are going above and beyond to show they're a great tank. But should we kick those who don't?
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    Delmira Garnet
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    I would advise not to eat dinner while you're in a duty with other players. Every member of the party should give their full attention until the duty is complete.
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    if only theyd just allow melding to gear and not mess with the dmg meta, probably be alot less boot kickers in the tank dept. maybe. I just dont df as tank anymore, but others might keep a chip on their shoulder and queue in anyway, sorry you had a bad experience
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGladius View Post
    I would advise not to eat dinner while you're in a duty with other players. Every member of the party should give their full attention until the duty is complete.
    Do you think that any of the dungeons require that level of attention that you can't eat something and play at the same time? Thats silly. Again, its not that I was not paying attention. I was healing, dispelling and keeping up hots. Surely, you can't look as ignorant play?
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    Anienai Talenca
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolvolt View Post
    Do you think that any of the dungeons require that level of attention that you can't eat something and play at the same time? Thats silly. Again, its not that I was not paying attention. I was healing, dispelling and keeping up hots. Surely, you can't look as ignorant play?
    Probably just The Vault.
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    I wouldn't find it fair to the group if one person or more comes into a party and doesn't give their full attention to fulfill the duty they signed up for. I wouldn't like it if a dps came into a party eating and only pressing a few buttons, or a tank tanking while eating and only pressing a couple buttons whether or not the content is easy. That's intentionally putting in less effort or not being fully committed. You can finish what you need to do first that can cause distractions then queue up for a group content afterwards.
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    Last edited by DGladius; 05-30-2016 at 11:10 AM.

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    Graylle Celestia
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    I assume most people are queuing into dungeons for selfish reasons. It's probably pretty rare that someone is doing a dungeon run for no personal benefit.

    Even the TC has made it pretty clear that they're in it for the Anima grind.

    So for people to turn around and call other people self-centered despite having the same skew in motives is hypocritical. You're saying that you're entitled to your selfishness but they should sacrifice for the group.

    Do I leave dungeons? Yea. I try not to do it if I queue into something like Sastasha or anything with a green leaf or bonus (even if I don't care for the bonus) but will I leave a 60 roulette if it rolls Aethereal Chemical Research Facility with no bonus? Yea. Will I leave a Ramuh EX mentor queue if the group really can't clear it and refuse to vote abandon? Yea.

    The reality is the roulettes are not balanced right now. You can queue into a 1 minute guildhest, a potential 40 minute AV wipefest, or a full lock-out of hopeless Ramuh EX wipes before an inevitable abandon out of the same roulette. ACRF takes a good ~25 minutes whereas something like Fractal is done in ~10. When people value efficiency, of course you're going to have leavers.
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  8. #28
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    Kid Kaze
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    The reality is the roulettes are not balanced right now. You can queue into a 1 minute guildhest, a potential 40 minute AV wipefest, or a full lock-out of hopeless Ramuh EX wipes before an inevitable abandon out of the same roulette. ACRF takes a good ~25 minutes whereas something like Fractal is done in ~10. When people value efficiency, of course you're going to have leavers.
    I don't really understand the concept of efficiency in leaving a dungeon and taking a 30min penalty, doesn't sound efficient to me at all.

    I've only left a dungeon twice since becoming a tank (and never before that) and that's because on both occasions, when I was new to tanking, the DPS pulled the mobs and the boss before me, when I had already told them at the start that I was new. I wasn't really about that life, so I upped and left both times.
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    Chaosgrimm Winsock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    I assume most people are queuing into dungeons for selfish reasons. It's probably pretty rare that someone is doing a dungeon run for no personal benefit.
    ...
    So for people to turn around and call other people self-centered despite having the same skew in motives is hypocritical. You're saying that you're entitled to your selfishness but they should sacrifice for the group.

    Do I leave dungeons? Yea.
    You are confusing "selfishness" and "motivation".
    The reason you are being selfish and the OP is not is that you are screwing other people over in pursuit of your goals.
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    Player Brian_'s Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidkaze View Post
    I don't really understand the concept of efficiency in leaving a dungeon and taking a 30min penalty, doesn't sound efficient to me at all.
    Because if your goal is tomestones, there are faster, more efficient alternatives. First, the PvP queue and Dungeon queue run on separate penalties so even with the penalty from dropping out of a dungeon, you can still queue for PvP. Second, you can just do hunts or whatever daily tasks you would otherwise spend time doing.

    So rather than spend that time laboring through a dungeon you don't want to do, you can spend it doing things you want to do or need to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
    You are confusing "selfishness" and "motivation".
    The reason you are being selfish and the OP is not is that you are screwing other people over in pursuit of your goals.
    And how is he not screwing me over for the pursuit of his own goals by wasting my time in a dungeon I don't want to do?
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