What can I do to stop this?

[winsock]

I assume most people are queuing into dungeons for selfish reasons. It's probably pretty rare that someone is doing a dungeon run for no personal benefit.
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So for people to turn around and call other people self-centered despite having the same skew in motives is hypocritical. You're saying that you're entitled to your selfishness but they should sacrifice for the group.

Do I leave dungeons? Yea.

You are confusing "selfishness" and "motivation".
The reason you are being selfish and the OP is not is that you are screwing other people over in pursuit of your goals.

[Brian_]

I don't really understand the concept of efficiency in leaving a dungeon and taking a 30min penalty, doesn't sound efficient to me at all.

Because if your goal is tomestones, there are faster, more efficient alternatives. First, the PvP queue and Dungeon queue run on separate penalties so even with the penalty from dropping out of a dungeon, you can still queue for PvP. Second, you can just do hunts or whatever daily tasks you would otherwise spend time doing.

So rather than spend that time laboring through a dungeon you don't want to do, you can spend it doing things you want to do or need to do.

You are confusing "selfishness" and "motivation".
The reason you are being selfish and the OP is not is that you are screwing other people over in pursuit of your goals.

And how is he not screwing me over for the pursuit of his own goals by wasting my time in a dungeon I don't want to do?

[Violette]

When you que for a roulette you open yourself up to the possibility of non-preferred dungeons.

Leaving a roulette because "I didn't want to do x/y/z dungeon" is like throwing a tantrum because you didn't get the Christmas present you wanted last year.

You're old enough to know things don't go your way and you should be ready to accept that, but you still didn't think about anyone else and ruined their time as well.

With tank que comes tank responsibility. You're the instance leader the moment you que as a tank and screwing nine other people because "ungh this dungeon takes to long to clear"is not something you can argue will ever be justified.

[winsock]

And how is he not screwing me over for the pursuit of his own goals by wasting my time in a dungeon I don't want to do?

If you dont want to do dungeons in the roulette, dont use the roulette. You're selfish because you're going into it knowing you have the possibly of not getting what you want, and screwing ppl over if you dont get your way.
In the OP's scenario, he is queuing for dungeons other ppl are also queuing for or that is contained in roulettes that ppl are queuing for.

In short, when you queue roulette, you consent to being available for any possible duty within that roulette. Crying and screwing over the rest of your party when you dont get the outcome you wanted from a "roulette" is childish and selfish.

[Red_Wolf]

Do I leave dungeons? Yea. I try not to do it if I queue into something like Sastasha or anything with a green leaf or bonus (even if I don't care for the bonus) but will I leave a 60 roulette if it rolls Aethereal Chemical Research Facility with no bonus? Yea. Will I leave a Ramuh EX mentor queue if the group really can't clear it and refuse to vote abandon? Yea.

LOL, was wondering why nobody seemed to like you. I had to read back a little ways to find it but wow...

What you are actually saying here is that your time is more valuable than everyone else's. You won't win any friends with that attitude. I don't know how to make you realize that, but assuming you've made it this far along in life without that lesson... prepare yourself for a lonely adulthood.

[Brian_]

LOL, was wondering why nobody seemed to like you. I had to read back a little ways to find it but wow...

What you are actually saying here is that your time is more valuable than everyone else's. You won't win any friends with that attitude. I don't know how to make you realize that, but assuming you've made it this far along in life without that lesson... prepare yourself for a lonely adulthood.

Reading comprehension is obviously not the strong suit of the users of this forum.

I am hardly saying my time has any more value than someone else's. I am saying that everyone has the right to enjoy the game within their individual rights. Others are making the suggestion that once you sign up for a roulette, you forfeit your freedom and the right to decide to leave.

And it's hilarious you imply adulthood is somehow different when real life is all about the interactions between individual rights and the compromises we make or don't.

[Red_Wolf]

Reading comprehension is obviously not the strong suit of the users of this forum.

I am hardly saying my time has any more value than someone else's. I am saying that everyone has the right to enjoy the game within their individual rights. Others are making the suggestion that once you sign up for a roulette, you forfeit your freedom and the right to decide to leave.

And it's hilarious you imply adulthood is somehow different when real life is all about the interactions between individual rights and the compromises we make or don't.

And you insult rather than opening your mind a little bit. You are special.

Other people may have waited a significant amount of time for the duty finder to pop. They are ready to run whatever and whenever to get their reward done. But you on a whim decided you're too good to help those people run the instance that you signed up for, therefore you are saying that your time is more valuable than theirs. Now because of your selfishness all those people lost their spot in the queue and have to sign up again at the bottom of the list. Actions speak louder than words. You don't have to say your time is more valuable. You are just acting as if your time is more valuable. Let me clue you in on something... it's not.

[winsock]

Your reason for queuing originates from personal gain, farming tomestones, rather than as a by product of an urge for a good shared experience / a fulfilling run for your party-mates.

Full disclosure the argument I thought you were going to make is not the one you made; however, the argument you decided to make is much more flimsy.

Your grouping 2 different decisions together rather than treating them separately
* One is the decision to join queue
* The other is deciding whether or not to leave after the duty starts.

To be clear, no one is judging you for your decision to join queue, or your reasons for wanting to queue.

You're getting critism for the decision of leaving the group.

You clearly prioritize your own tomestones and time over the will of the leaver. SURPRISE! Their motive for leaving is probably the same!

As for what's not selfish -- doing anything with the primary goal of accommodating others.

You assumptions are wrong about my motivations. I stay in the party to accommodate others. I critize you in an attempt to help you realize your actions are not considered socially acceptable.

The final issue with your logic is the justification of your selfishness. You try to justify your actions stating that other people are selfish. This not only is a huge assumption about the motivations of other players, but it does not make your behavior any less unwarranted.

[Brian_]

And you insult rather than opening your mind a little bit. You are special.

I criticize because it's deserved. You jump into a topic without reading the actual posts and then sling out judgements and insults, then are shocked when people question your ability to read?

You're right, actions speak louder than words. It's just convenient you discount the actions that don't fit your narrative. If you read and understood the extents of the discussion, you would know that I also queue as a healer / DPS (all my jobs are at 60) and also have had my tanks leave. Clearly I think my time is more valuable than theirs because I went out of my way to shame them and go beyond the existing system of penalization... oh wait... I didn't. I take it in stride and just requeue. Why? Because I understand that my time is not more valuable than someone else's. I don't get to say my time is so much more valuable than someone else's that I have some societal right to judge and shame people for exercising their right to play a game how they wish to and change a system SE has said they are fine with.

But yea, actions speak louder than words. I wonder how your actions speak. The action of judging someone without even bothering to fully understand what they're saying. The action of lying and slandering someone based on ignorance and bias.

[Comrade_uri]

If you dont want to do dungeons in the roulette, dont use the roulette. You're selfish because you're going into it knowing you have the possibly of not getting what you want, and screwing ppl over if you dont get your way.
In the OP's scenario, he is queue for dungeons other ppl are also queuing for or that is contained in roulettes that ppl are queuing for.

In short, when you queue roulette, you consent to being available for any possible duty within that roulette. Crying and screwing over the rest of your party when you dont get the outcome you wanted from a "roulette" is childish and selfish.

I'm with winsock on this. I'll get dungeons I hate, sometimes I'll even say so in chat but I'll do them, to the best of the parties ability. I'll still get my tomes at the end so why not suck it up for 30 mins.