Estinien's Fate? [SPOILER discussion]

[Crescents]

I guess im more pessimistic than most - I don't think anyone but alphinaud cares about saving him, I think the ending the war and the potential casualties are more important to everyone else and I'm quite sure after Alphinaud messes up like always we'll end up with another elezen dying in our arms.. besides I don' really mind murdering estinien I've never liked him.

[Belhi]

I guess im more pessimistic than most - I don't think anyone but alphinaud cares about saving him, I think the ending the war and the potential casualties are more important to everyone else and I'm quite sure after Alphinaud messes up like always we'll end up with another elezen dying in our arms.. besides I don' really mind murdering estinien I've never liked him.

Honestly killing of a character that isn't liked has little value unless they are specifically outright hated. Otherwise they have no real value for bringing emotion to the narrative. Im also rather hoping Alphinaud doesn't screw up for a change because otherwise it pretty much makes all his development since 2.55 obsolete.

[EdwinLi]

Honestly killing of a character that isn't liked has little value unless they are specifically outright hated. Otherwise they have no real value for bringing emotion to the narrative. Im also rather hoping Alphinaud doesn't screw up for a change because otherwise it pretty much makes all his development since 2.55 obsolete.

This may sound offensive and aggressive to some people but...

I think that part of a personal issue that they would bring in personal emotions into determining the fate of characters.

If they don't like them they want the character they hate to die but if they like them they want the character to live.

Killing off a character just because a person hates the character is never a good in my book because I feel that when a character dies the player should feel sad for a protagonist death not jump around happy that the person died.

It also feels like a rather stubbern way to remove a character because it a method to prevent that character from returning thus preventing the chance for that hated character to develop or change into a more likable personality once they return to take part in a Major storyline.

There is also the issue that if a character is not OMG Awesome Character people seem to want them dead or being "useless" in combat. Not every ally we gain will be some awesome skilled fighter of course and their skills are most likely more into non-combat skills such as politics, trading, or negotiations so when it comes to combat they will mostly be useless but some people just can't accept these type of non-combat characters as ally in a Storyline thus they want them "killed off" because they're Useless in battle despite all their efforts to gain support for our character's goal through politics and negtiations.

It is also most noticable that the characters that people want to keep alive are often the very skilled combat characters and the non-combat characters are often considered useless and wanted to be killed off.

[Nocte]

I firmly believe that through the WoL's actions (clearing the trial) Estinien will be able to regain control of his body (although temporarily), and kill himself to vanquish Nidhogg as his final act of vengeance. I honestly don't see Estinien surviving beyond the war.

[Silica-chan]

I don't like how I have to find a way to save him.

Why don't just kill him along with Nidhogg?

The game should give us more options or more tragic story.

And Alphinaud should be killed long time ago.

I agree with this. I don't like Estinien to begin with so I don't care what happens to him.

[Frederick22]

Pitty that ppl dont like this guy, everyone has his flaws, i mean everyone.

Estenien, was someone who helped in the progression of both the WoL and Alphinau.

Despite his desire of vengance, he was willing to stop if needed.

[Rosalynd]

I kind of hope he dies, he is an overzealous moron who brought his own fate upon himself.

[Reiryuu]

I have a feeling that Estinien will have to die in order for both eyes to be destroyed and Nidhogg to truly be gone for good. If the eyes are not destroyed, Ishgard would not be safe and we could not go on to the new expansion that we are getting ready for in 3.4 and beyond.

Do I want him to die? Not really. The guy's made some mistakes and has lived his whole life out of vengeance. It'd be nice if the guy could find something better to live for and make good on some of the mistakes he has made.

[Belhi]

I agree with this. I don't like Estinien to begin with so I don't care what happens to him.

As I said before, if this is the case it will render his death pointless anyway. From a narrative standpoint there is really no value in him getting killed off. More over there is nothing tragic about someone you don't like dying. At least if he lives they have the potential to A)explore the metaphysics of the world a bit more as there will be some story to how he is saved, and B)offer the opportunity for his character to actually have an impact in the story which does have some lasting emotional sense.

Further the problem with options in a continual narrative like this is they are very hard to build upon. Lets say you let someone live or die. That means for future content you need to take into consideration wether they are alive or not. In most cases to make the amount of story development manageable it will relegate the objects of that choice to a marginal and impactful role in any future story which undermines the value of the choice in the first place.

I kind of hope he dies, he is an overzealous moron who brought his own fate upon himself.

He was open to the parlay if it meant the attacks on Ishgard stopped. He didn't persue his anger towards dragons until the peaceful options had been exhausted. Frankly Iceheart was more of a zealot to her cause than he was and he had at least as much justification as she did if not more. Nidhogg murdered his entire village when he was a child.

[Spawnie]

my kittyman wants him to die... nvr liked him at all lol