Reminder for all white mages for dungeon runs.

[mp-please]

Specially for the ones who refuse or are too scared to dps.
No I'm not telling you to dps, calm down. And if you already dps with cleric up, good job, keep it up.


Do you stoneskin everyone at the start of the dungeon?
Do you stoneskin everyone before a boss fight?
Do you even take the effort to stoneskin before a major pull?

Then save your MP for something else because:
(actually you should still stoneskin tank busters and the tank before a large pull)

Holy can and should be used defensively!

If you're scared of screwing up with cleric stance swaps, but still worry enough about mitigation, don't worry this is for you! As you don't need to turn cleric on at all to stun trash.

7 seconds worth of stun on 3 casts are the same as a 7 second hallowed ground and roughly better than most of the tank cooldowns currently in every tank disposition.

Let's compare holy stuns with one of the best tank cooldowns, sentinel (40% mitigation, 10 seconds).

Imagine a group of 10 trash mobs each doing 1000 dps for 10 seconds (a bit ridiculous I know), that's 100k damage dealt. Sentinel blocks 40% of it so when the tank is tanking the mobs, that tank will take 60k dmg instead 100k with sentinel blocking 40k of the dmg being thrown out.

Now Holy blocks 7 seconds of all the dmg of the 10 seconds which means only 3 seconds of the 10 will come as damage and so from the 100k dmg, the tank will only receive 30k.
If sentinel has a 40% mitigation rate, over the same 15 seconds 3 casts of holy will have a mitigation rate of roughly 70%.

Even a single swiftcast holy (4 second stun), will have the exact same mitigation power as rampart/shadowskin (20%, 20 seconds duration)

Considering Stoneskin uses half the mp cost of holy and only covers 10% of total hp of the target (lets imagine a tank with 25k hp), that's 2.5k mitigated which would instantly vaporize on the example i gave earlier.

As mentioned on the thread, think of the dark knights

While a good tip here, do not forget your tank's cooldowns. Specifically DRK. DRK's blood price allows them to recover mana for each hit they take. Since Holy stops all incoming damage, blood price is really hindered by Holy. Best suggestion is to wait until blood price is close to dropping, then cast Holy.

[Alex_W]

While a good tip here, do not forget your tank's cooldowns. Specifically DRK. DRK's blood price allows them to recover mana for each hit they take. Since Holy stops all incoming damage, blood price is really hindered by Holy. Best suggestion is to wait until blood price is close to dropping, then cast Holy.

[AnimaAnimus]

Ah but therein lies the problem. If a healer is sitting on their hands on not dpsing or even drawing their weapon, what makes you think they are going to run in and holy.

Lack of dps and just standing there doing absolutely nothing is more a "I don't want to do anything other than tap my cure button now and then" problem moreso than anything else. I can see treading with caution in some dungeons or if you are brand new to it, but the time when I see healers doing nothing its because they don't want to do anything. So....

[winsock]

Do you stoneskin everyone at the start of the dungeon?
Do you stoneskin everyone before a boss fight?
Do you even take the effort to stoneskin before a major pull?

Yes to all three!

Then save your MP for something else because:

Holy can and should be used defensively!

Oh... um...

* Raises hand *
Cant we use mp on both?

[JackFross]

sentinel (40% mitigation, 15 seconds).

Sentinel and Shadow Wall are only 10s duration, which makes your argument EVEN STRONGER. ♥

While a good tip here, do not forget your tank's cooldowns. Specifically DRK. DRK's blood price allows them to recover mana for each hit they take. Since Holy stops all incoming damage, blood price is really hindered by Holy. Best suggestion is to wait until blood price is close to dropping, then cast Holy.

I'll usually start a pull on DRK with Regen -> A3 -> wait for BP. If it's not up and I've waited a solid 30% of my Tank's health, I'm pressing Holy, otherwise, I heal him during BP and then drop the Holy after.

As a DRK, it's also REALLY EASY to bait your WHM into healing, not Holying during BP - make the huge pull you want and then pop BP first with no additional mitigation. When it's falling off, start rolling CD's (I usually lead with Foresight to test the waters on whether they're gonna Holy - don't wanna blow SW on 7s of stun!) to mitigate damage and ease the healer so they can feel safer doing DPS. ;D

[mp-please]

Sentinel and Shadow Wall are only 10s duration, which makes your argument EVEN STRONGER. ♥

oh, oops, gonna have to fix that later

[Nekotee]

As whm i use more holy than stonzskin
Even if it's good i will only apply it between pull
Rarely in combat

I do admit with shame that I have killed more than one tank having a blast with my aoe DPS competing with the actuals DPS, and forget to heal
(Most of the time tank died because they did not pop cooldown to mitigate damage because they were expecting me as whm to perma cure them...)

[Ekimmak]

I don't know whether I can make a post of my full thoughts on this without aggravating someone, but PLEASE don't use Holy when I have blood price up.

I need that MP back.

[mp-please]

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This unfortunately is a sad truth. Everytime i hop on my paladin i'm spammed cure for every hp point i lose. For someone that mains white mage as long as i do, i feel a bit of my soul leaving everytime i hear that cure sound (that and regens mid pull but that's another story).

Either way the main reason i've made this thread was to double as a guide and rant. Maybe one or 2 newbies will see this and use the skill as a way of mitigation at 1st and later on start to get used to turn cleric on and start dpsing, one can hope :I
Hell, i'd even rather have them not do anything and burst cure me to full from ~10% than literally spam cure I on every gcd.

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