Can anyone give me some PLD tips?

[JackFross]

just like to point out, if you're tanking in ShO, the dps difference between GB/ROH/RA rotation and GB/RA/RA rotation is so minuscule that you may as well do the ROH rotation just for STR down.

Min-Maxing isn't about "good enough" it's about "optimal play for maximum dps output while maintaining maximum survival" - RoH is only worthwhile to use before a large hit, since the 10% is much more effective on that than it is on a series of autos which are effectively mitigated and turned to 0 by Regen, Aspected Benefic, and Lily even without the 10%.

Mixing in one RoH every third combo is actually a significant DPS loss over the course of an encounter. Assuming it's a minute long, you've already sacrificed 180-270 potency (the strength of an additional GCD) for the sake of negligible gains to mitigation... and it's very rare for such an encounter to only be a minute long.

Oh I also don't really understand why the debate is between Goring and RoH. Are you guys talking Single target or AOE, I'm confused. The discussion started with dungeon trash, math ended up turning into single target. For single target they don't even compete...

The discussion we're having of GB v RoH has been the entire time strictly related to trash pulls. We're having another discussion on the side regarding how to tank bosses wherein I was arguing that you should never need RoH when tanking in ShO (which is true) and you should be using minimal RoH when doing SwO (one in ShO to start, and few after that only when absolutely necessary) - completely separate discussions and arguments.

[ashwich]

Min-Maxing isn't about "good enough" it's about "optimal play for maximum dps output while maintaining maximum survival" - RoH is only worthwhile to use before a large hit, since the 10% is much more effective on that than it is on a series of autos which are effectively mitigated and turned to 0 by Regen, Aspected Benefic, and Lily even without the 10%.

Truth. It's lower potency. But I've parsed (3 minutes with ShO) weaving in ROH every 3 actually higher than just GB/RA/RA. okay of course 3 minutes isn't a long time, and the only reason anyone would do more dmg with less potency rotation is with lucky crits. But that's the point I'm trying to make, the difference is sooooo soo small, in ShO, that random crits can offset it. At the end of the day you're trading mitigation which in your argument can be covered by HoTs anyway, for dmg so insignificant that nobody will notice.

[Sarcatica]

Truth. It's lower potency. But I've parsed (3 minutes with ShO) weaving in ROH every 3 actually higher than just GB/RA/RA. okay of course 3 minutes isn't a long time, and the only reason anyone would do more dmg with less potency rotation is with lucky crits. But that's the point I'm trying to make, the difference is sooooo soo small, in ShO, that random crits can offset it. At the end of the day you're trading mitigation which in your argument can be covered by HoTs anyway, for dmg so insignificant that nobody will notice.

Let's do that math. 90pot loss every 7.5s. 3mins = 180s. 180s = 24 total combo. 90pot loss x 24 = 2160pot. 50pot (Sword Oath equivalent) is about 300 damage. That's ~13k damage you are missing. That's about almost another extra GB>RA>RA (9GCDs) combos. "Soooooo small" I would wonder about that. Rather than you spouting nonsense, do your math before commenting and trying to convince us otherwise.

[ashwich]

Let's do that math. 90pot loss every 7.5s. 3mins = 180s. 180s = 24 total combo. 90pot loss x 24 = 2160pot. 50pot (Sword Oath equivalent) is about 300 damage. That's ~13k damage you are missing. That's about almost another extra GB>RA>RA (9GCDs) combos. "Soooooo small" I would wonder about that. Rather than you spouting nonsense, do your math before commenting and trying to convince us otherwise.

sorry, i fucked up. I didn't realize I could've done 3 combos in 7.5 seconds, and didn't realize I wasn't talking about ShO. sorry sorry.

[Sarcatica]

sorry, i fucked up. I didn't realize I could've done 3 combos in 7.5 seconds, and didn't realize I wasn't talking about ShO. sorry sorry.

weaving in ROH every 3 actually higher than just GB/RA/RA

just like to point out, if you're tanking in ShO, the dps difference between GB/ROH/RA rotation and GB/RA/RA rotation is so minuscule that you may as well do the ROH rotation just for STR down.

Implying you are doing RoH in between each combo, as you mentioned.

[Seku]

Truth. It's lower potency. But I've parsed (3 minutes with ShO) weaving in ROH every 3 actually higher than just GB/RA/RA. okay of course 3 minutes isn't a long time, and the only reason anyone would do more dmg with less potency rotation is with lucky crits. But that's the point I'm trying to make, the difference is sooooo soo small, in ShO, that random crits can offset it. At the end of the day you're trading mitigation which in your argument can be covered by HoTs anyway, for dmg so insignificant that nobody will notice.

Don't think it's that insignificant over the course of a 10-12 minute fight. Also on the flip side of your random critical strike argument, if you had instead used the higher potency skill, you'd have done more damage, keeping the gap between the skills, you've actually wasted a opportunity and have more than likely killed your damage even more.