3.2 drk vs pld dps

[Jpec07]

Snip.

I'll stop debating it then and concede, since you're right; the fact is that I don't have savage raiding experience, either as a tank or as a healer. There have been times when Clemency has helped me help healers clean up in DF groups (random party members can take a surprising amount of damage in lower-tuned content, and I've had healers thank me for answering other players' inability to get out of damage), but I'm arguing hypotheticals against real experience here when I talk about savage. Just because I can see where it could potentially be useful doesn't mean it actually is.

[Xenosan]

I like Clemency. For dungeons, raids, trials.. if that's what you're using as a barometer for Clemency's value then it is non-essential. But it's a great self-heal for other content, imo.

I'd trade my (tank-stance required) SoulEater for Clemency in PVP or Unsync'd Solo Dungeons any day. >,>

edit: haven't PLD'd much since the tank stat change, has Clemency suffered from that?

[Seraphix2407]

DRK win's easily for sure. However we did this last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5NupyOO0eU

[DWolfwood]

As of now, I choose DRK over PLD because of the slight DPS gain, Reprisal, and most importantly, because I have the relic already for it. I was actually ready to get the best 230 PLD weapons, I'm at like 50/80 relic items or so, but I stopped when I realized that it probably wasn't worth it. A5S and A7S are the two fights in question when really considering going PLD over DRK, and A5S is too easy to even bother caring about, which leaves A7S.

I made the choice of Reprisal over Divine Veil because I would rather learn the timings of when to put Reprisal up and get that -10% damage mitigation across the series of Sparks than that one-time mitigation based on HP from Divine Veil. Considering that the tank buster is multiple physical attacks, and not just one, Sheltron's usefulness is greatly hindered. The final question was Bulwark + Hallowed Ground vs. Dark Dance + Living Dead + extra DPS.

I chose DRK, but that's not to say I'll keep choosing it come A9S onward. (Though it's still likely.)

[Jukebox12]

for me I don't see a much difference on drk before 3.2 and now even with the Str=1 now is str/vit=.45/.45 (/=doesn't mean divide in this sentence.). but pld I do see a lot of difference from 3.2 str=1 then now str/vit=.45/.45 and the buffs. I see my self going a lot into sword oath now before I couldn't do it cuz mostly of agro and the damage was not worth it imo.

[Sarcatica]

for me I don't see a much difference on drk before 3.2 and now even with the Str=1 now is str/vit=.45/.45 (/=doesn't mean divide in this sentence.). but pld I do see a lot of difference from 3.2 str=1 then now str/vit=.45/.45 and the buffs. I see my self going a lot into sword oath now before I couldn't do it cuz mostly of agro and the damage was not worth it imo.

VIT was horrible to stack since they didn't give anything else aside from more HP. Not to mention the threshold for HP back then was really low too. Damage sure was worth it and if you spec-ed into almost full STR if not full already, you would be easily holding aggro from start to finish as PLD. Now it's changed and you kinda want to start with healthy lead as your enmity is gonna hit rock bottom when you switch to Sword Oath (or if you pull in SwO, you gotta cycle in a lot more Rage of Halones to maintain aggro).

Note: back in STR meta, you could get away with only 2 Rage of Halones with full STR, ninja's aggro buff and SwO pulling in A1S.

[ExCalibre]

I would say DRK beat PLD in both OT and MT just because the higher potency skills and OGCDs.

[Yuni_Queen]

DRK win's easily for sure. However we did this last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5NupyOO0eU

Y u do dis.
And i can't even find good dps to simply clear that... .__.
Quess i will find myself 6 DRKs to just killd the thing.

[Destous]

Also keep in mind that when MT, the difference in DPS output between the tanks is marginal now, such that no tank is really undesirable for the slot for its lack of DPS. OT is really where you see the biggest differences, and even that isn't entirely too severe.

It is pretty severe though, because of WARs. I love playing WAR in OT when a fight doesn't call for a swap or for the OT to pick up a mob. Being able to focus on DPS as a WAR in deliverance means putting out numbers that compete with melee DPS. DRKs aren't too far behind WAR because Blood Weapon is much better than Blood Price for getting mana off a single target, but PLD loses Shield Swipe procs and that means one less oGCD skill for PLDs, who are already sorely lacking oGCD damage skills.

OT WARs also have near unlimited TP; which is a massive plus for fights where it would matter.

[Ragnorak]

Seph Ex is not a hard fight I really don't get people sometimes. Also better hide that Video from the dps before they cry for more tank needs lol