I was sick of tomes in 2.0 now I loathe them in 3.0

[Atoli]

I honestly do not understand why people still keep complaining about this.
It's really simple, actually.

If you NEED the tome gear for savage and the like, view it as a necessary step in getting the clears. There's this saying, something about "nothing worth having comes easy", or something like that.
So grind your teeth and do a bit of unpleasant stuff so you can enjoy savage more.

If you DON'T NEED the tome gear because you don't do savage alex, then just don't bother capping. You don't need ilvl 230+ for normal dungeons, ex primals and any other type of fighting content.

You really have no one else to blame but yourself if you continue to beat yourself into grinding something you don't even need.

It's as if I really hated expensive peas but loved cheap pizza, and forced myself to do a horrible dayjob everyday to buy more and more peas that I'm not even gonna eat, when I could have pizza instead AND work less because the pizza is cheaper too. But hey, maybe you like displaying your giant jars full of fancy peas. But in that case the work is already worth it again because you DO get enjoyment out of the end result.

[Airget]

That may be true, but at the same time we do not know how it was coded so it could be more complex than that. It could also have problems with other unknown aspects of the game.

It's a balance issue, if you "magically" change the 450 cap to a 1800 cap then that means people who do harder content can just focus the first week on capping their tomes so that they can obtain the best gear and have a better chance of beating the content sooner. A weekly cap provides a more stable online playerbase because it won't turn into a "most players finish on first week or last week" that the in between may become harder for those to cap during that time because either everyone capped or people are waiting to cap til later.

At least with the current system you have it set in place where if you just log on, Do Expert Roulette 6/7 of the Days you will cap. In between you can do Alexander, maybe level 60 roulette, PVP content, Void Ark, etc etc for tomes and cap slightly sooner but the fact remains that just spending at least an hr should get you the Expert Daily tomes and heck if your time is constrained, just pop on DF, do what you need to get done while waiting, enter Dungeon once it pops, do the 20-30 min dance and then log off once you are done.

[Cnidarian]

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I'm in agreement with you, and by reviewing my post history on this topic would show that you essentially summed up what I've been posting. The quote you used was a counter to someone wanting to change the tome limit or extend the lockout period. The below argument was brought on by another person on how they could facilitate that.

Uhm...I'm not a programming genius, but if this cap is done in any comparable way to timers in common scripts and mod editors, all you have to do is to dive into the script, search the right number, change the number, then compile and save.

[Warlyx]

I honestly do not understand why people still keep complaining about this.
It's really simple, actually.

yeah its....lets complain until SE give us fun content to farm tomestome! , if Palace of the dead doesnt give tomes ..., if 45 mins in Palace give me 50 tomes and is fun? hell yeah...if the palace give 10 tomes for 1h of my time ? that sucks...even if its fun ...i will do it anyway because anything that resembles fun is really welcomed...

[Katchoo]

i will do it anyway because anything that resembles fun is really welcomed...

Never a truer word spoken.

[Kaurie]

I honestly do not understand why people still keep complaining about this.
It's really simple, actually.

If you NEED the tome gear for savage and the like, view it as a necessary step in getting the clears. There's this saying, something about "nothing worth having comes easy", or something like that.
So grind your teeth and do a bit of unpleasant stuff so you can enjoy savage more.

If you DON'T NEED the tome gear because you don't do savage alex, then just don't bother capping. You don't need ilvl 230+ for normal dungeons, ex primals and any other type of fighting content.

You really have no one else to blame but yourself if you continue to beat yourself into grinding something you don't even need.

It's as if I really hated expensive peas but loved cheap pizza, and forced myself to do a horrible dayjob everyday to buy more and more peas that I'm not even gonna eat, when I could have pizza instead AND work less because the pizza is cheaper too. But hey, maybe you like displaying your giant jars full of fancy peas. But in that case the work is already worth it again because you DO get enjoyment out of the end result.

Not a bad post, but this doesn't address or capture my complaints in tome capping in the slightest.

I dislike that you do not obtain gear as loot from a mob, but instead are given a currency and purchase it in a very predictable manner (i.e. I knew exactly what hour -not even day- I would have the Lore gloves, chest, head etc. piece within minutes of reading the 3.2 patch notes)

I dislike that if you have a week where you are busy with work/life you are permanently one week behind everyone else - no vacations!

I dislike that lore is distributed unevenly based on time and effort - i.e. you get 30 lore for beating A5S, but 75 lore for expert roulette.

I dislike that the highest reward to time/effort ratio is Expert Roulette, which is fast and incredibly easy, with only 2 roulette options on a daily basis.

I dislike that the weekly cap and gate for obtaining tomestones for purchasing gear prevents one from gearing multiple jobs.

I dislike that there are not really any other options for gearing. If you want Savage, you need to be getting tome gear (or pentameld crafting). So your options are spending loads of gil, crafting or lore gear. I'd like ti if there were more battle oriented options (such as drops in dungeons that are not 35 ilvl's below what the currency from the same dungeon buys you)

do a bit of unpleasant stuff

Always something you want people saying about your entertainment product.

You really have no one else to blame but yourself if you continue to beat yourself into grinding something you don't even need.

This is so true. I have stopped capping entirely, and I log in just to raid 5 hours per week. Once we have our other healer back from vacation, or sub healer is taking my spot and I am unsubbing. Definitely something I am sure Square wants.

[odintius]

If you DON'T NEED the tome gear because you don't do savage alex, then just don't bother capping. You don't need ilvl 230+ for normal dungeons, ex primals and any other type of fighting content.

This so true I don't even bother as much as I use to with gearing just got lore weapon even though it was a snore fest already with current gear I look at the requirements for the dungeons and just go why bother when I can get by with just 210 gear. It feels like the gear there just for the sake of being there, without the actual need for it to be there /shrug.

[Elky]

I honestly do not understand why people still keep complaining about this.
It's really simple, actually.

If you NEED the tome gear for savage and the like, view it as a necessary step in getting the clears. There's this saying, something about "nothing worth having comes easy", or something like that.
So grind your teeth and do a bit of unpleasant stuff so you can enjoy savage more.

If you DON'T NEED the tome gear because you don't do savage alex, then just don't bother capping.

You really have no one else to blame but yourself if you continue to beat yourself into grinding something you don't even need.

Its the only good gear outside of Savage and crafted gear.People with that argument are obnoxious. I enjoy getting stronger in game, I do not enjoy doing the same content repeatedly. Its that simple. And people complain about it because its getting boring. Maybe I like seeing big pretty numbers.

Unpleasant? UNPLEASANT?! Thats probably something SE does not want people describing their game. However yes, the game is becoming quite unpleasant.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Know what else is simple? Getting lore tomes in other ways in addition to your daily EX roulette.

[Elky]

Know what else is simple? Getting lore tomes in other ways in addition to your daily EX roulette.

You're right! However, that content is more boring, and gives less tomes. Expert dungeons are better, but there is only two of them and we do the same two for months. And tomes are a very lame and boring system.