SOS : Fundraising !

[Talamarie]

First of all, thx you all for coming with constructives answers.
I would agree with you on some points but honestly all i see here is points of view.

Yes this method can be risky. Like it has been said you can be a thief with a fake attempt and steal a lot, in that case i think that givers can search by themselves before giving funds, something they are solely responsible for. If thievery is discovered well it's too late that's true but they can also come and warn about people, all it takes is communication.

I don't agree about funds from a gil seller because if you succeeded to pass through SE net, well congratz but i don't really think that it exist and if it does i don't think that these "cheaters" will give anything at all. Too much risky for them too.
And if they do help : well let's suppose we talk about prescription on this money then ?

But the problem with the begging ? This is a topic to call upon the generosity within FF14 community players. Why ? Because everybody is different. Some suceeds and other don't. Guild also aren't all full of lvl 60 players with great ways and times to get plenty of money to give to the guild for a land. There is also guild for beginners and people with no luck that don't happen to get 1 million per day.

BUT they have the right to buy a land for themselves or their guild. Yes i said themselves because i would like to repeat that this topic IS NOT ONLY for guild lands but also for personal houses. AND maybe on some servers there is no free lands but it don't mean that would still like that for long. The 3.3 update should bring more opportunities but at this time it would be a time course. First who come is first who get. Some already have the amount for a land, other don't.

And that's about all these players i want to speak about : think of them instead of saying "it's easy". No it's not.
People are living even while playing. Like i said it's points of view and everybody is different.

Please try to think WITH ME to make this topic work with few problems
instead of only thinking AGAINST ME about the bad points of opening a topic like that.

[MomomiMomi]

BUT they have the right to claim a land for themselves or their guild.

No, they don't. They can put in the effort to claim their land. But they aren't entitled to one.

[Snugglebutt]

I don't agree about funds from a gil seller because if you succeeded to pass through SE net, well congratz but i don't really think that it exist and if it does i don't think that these "cheaters" will give anything at all. Too much risky for them too.
And if they do help : well let's suppose we talk about prescription on this money then ?

It would be easy to get someone who puts their name up on such a list banned (in my opinion) by someone seeing the name and checking to see if they are online, heading off to some website and paying $2/$5 or whatever to a gil seller while giving your character name to send/transfer the gil as the receiver. They could then send SE a support message saying they suspect your character of buying gil to which SE 'might' suspend or ban you for it. It is possible they might not but there is a risk there that they might.

You could argue for example such a person to find out anyone's character name they dislike and do it to them regardless of putting your name on such a list, but if your begging/asking for gil on such a list you are far more likely to accept such large donations even from dubious sources while most people picked at random would not because they would realize something is not right about some random stranger handing them vast amounts of gil out of the blue. It is just my opinion but like I said I think there are risks to accepting donations from strangers which is all I was saying above before, I personally wouldn't want to take such a risk but if you do then that's up to you and I wish you luck with it but it is not my cup of tea and I explained why. It's your characters and your account not mine so do what you want with it.

Please try to think WITH ME to make this topic work with few problems
instead of only thinking AGAINST ME about the bad points of opening a topic like that.

I pointed out the problems with it from my perspective. I gave your idea some thought, I then gave you my opinion based on what you said. I think there is a risk to it plus wouldn't feel right to me if I was to do such. I am not forcing you to feel the same way. I also think gil is not the biggest issue, anyone can gain gil and save up for a house even if takes some people longer than others by different levels of effort or time put into it. The biggest problem is lack of plots in general as no matter if have (like I said in another thread) 1 gil or 1 billion...if there is no plots to buy then no amount will make any difference. On my server there is not and has not been any houses for sale of any size for a very long time now every time I have checked which is another reason why there would be no point in me asking for such donations.

It is just my personal preference and opinion, take it or leave it as you see fit. Maybe you would like people to figure out ways around your issues but I don't see why I should because begging/asking for others to pay for a house for me is something I would not do in the first place for a multitude of reasons. If you want to do so however then good for you, I have nothing against you doing it and I have no agenda to shoot down your idea. I merely said why I wouldn't personally do it myself. You on the other hand are free to do as you like and maybe you will get what you want or maybe not, it doesn't bother me one way or the other what you do with your characters. Consider my earlier comment just feedback on your idea and you do not have to agree with me and I am not having a go at you personally.

[Talamarie]

It would be easy to get someone who puts their name up on such a list banned (in my opinion) by someone seeing the name and checking to see if they are online, heading off to some website and paying $2/$5 or whatever to a gil seller while giving your character name to send/transfer the gil as the receiver. They could then send SE a support message saying they suspect your character of buying gil to which SE 'might' suspend or ban you for it. It is possible they might not but there is a risk there that they might.

I would like to begin my answer with this part. Are you serious ?! Do not take offense plz and let's step out of the subject of the topic for this and focus on the logic of what you said. You do realize that, yes even if here it involve gils, you're overdoing it REALLY too much ? Someone would pay with his own money to get someone else in a bad situation ? They don't have to wait for a topic like this to be created to do that ! Just take the names on the "Marriage Partner Hookup Megathread!" it's a gold mine ! Hell just even go on the Lodestone and type any name you want on the search feed and you can get any random results you want ! Do you see my point here ?

Anyway, back to the topic. People seems to have a problem with the word CLAIM. I agree that it's a little too bluntly wrote like that even if i think that just standing on the word alone is kinda easy to get me (or the topic) on that. A claiming isn't only a vocal declaration guys and you know it. You can claim it by buying it. But i'm gonna change my phrase in my previous post though. Plz also understand guys that i wrote this topic alone basing myself with my view only which is a possibility in the game, a possibility that hasn't received any real attempt of amelioration but only remarks about gathering/crafting and selling to get the money needed.

I already explained myself on these points and i feel frustrated to see that same answer coming again and again. I'm not gonna say "i want to see people willing to try this" even if i wish it but i would like to see people talking about the UP and DOWN of this idea (like the thievery possibility for exemple) instead of talking about the ways to get money or guild honor.

[Eydir]

I would like to begin my answer with this part. Are you serious ?! Do not take offense plz and let's step out of the subject of the topic for this and focus on the logic of what you said. [...] [snip] [...] even go on the Lodestone and type any name you want on the search feed and you can get any random results you want ! Do you see my point here ?

First: Chill.
Second: It wouldn't really work that way. The only way to trade gil is via mooglemail or face to face. And everyone who is dumb enough to accept a million gil worth trade and/or a friendship request from Yusulafxfdg Yusfxfdg without knowing this person, well... you said you don't mean any offense but honestly, calm down some and think about it properly.

(Snipped for the word limit)

[Talamarie]

First: Chill.
Second: It wouldn't really work that way. The only way to trade gil is via mooglemail or face to face. And everyone who is dumb enough to accept a million gil worth trade and/or a friendship request from Yusulafxfdg Yusfxfdg without knowing this person, well... you said you don't mean any offense but honestly, calm down some and think about it properly.

(I answered you perfectly calmed and quite laughing about it too i admit.) And THAT'S the kind of point i wanted to see being talked about in this topic. People can be dumb that's true so in this topic we could write tips to recognise good people from trolls or to avoid suspicious offers. We could do it for both way : to givers and to askers. That's the kind of ameliorations i asked to talk about to work on to help this topic being viewed as something good with potential and working.

[Eydir]

(I answered you perfectly calmed and quite laughing about it too i admit.) And THAT'S the kind of point i wanted to see being talked about in this topic. [...] snippetysnip] [...] That's the kind of ameliorations i asked to talk about to work on to help this topic being viewed as something good with potential and working.

"Are you serious ?!" and spaces before every ! and ? at the end of every sentence appear everything but calm. Otherwise I also fully agree with the post Judah_Brandt made. Improvements to the housing system would be the better turn of action so I advise you make your voice heard there. And I can just repeat myself, starting your own business in any possible way will sustain you over a much longer time anyway for multiple things, be it gear, glamour or housing which will as you continue playing never stop to be relevant. Always being at the mercy of other players can't be the way.

[Talamarie]

"Are you serious ?!" and spaces before every ! and ? at the end of every sentence appear everything but calm.

Ok i'm getting out of the topic and i apologise but i will explain how it works for me. The both "?!" with the "Are you serious" really explain my shocked surprise when i read you. And yes i think i was calm with the rest of my answer even with the "!" there and there because like i said your argument was quite laughing, and i didn't really get out of the line. So plus that, there's the spaces : i am French. In France we always put spaces between a word and a "!" or a "?" or ";" or ":". But not for "." and for ",". You can go see in the French forum, it's like that. When we write, even doing it on paper, we always do that. It's for better accuracy of the emotions and meanings of the phrases. I'm sorry if thoses spaces has other meaning for american/england people but that's how i naturally write.

[Eydir]

But the problem with the begging ? [snip] to get 1 million per day.

Here I would also suggest to rather help others to get started into gathering and crafting. If you have no way to make gil it is hard to use the house be it the gardenpatch or the airship because maintaining that also takes materials you need to craft/gather/buy.

BUT they have the right to claim a land for themselves or their guild. Yes [snip] amount for a land, other don't.

Noone is entitled to own land. If we were we would simply get a port point or something similar from the Inn.

edit: i only snipped to fit in the word limit, not to reduce what was said

[Eydir]

And noone here is against you. If you make money this way, good but consider that it would be better in the end to find a way to make your own gil so you can afford other things, too. You don't need 5 hours a day available to make an income. Sending away retainers to gather mats whilest being at work/school/university/etc already helps. You can either sell those (and some sell pretty damn well, yes I'm sideeying you, deepeye tears) or craft with them to sell those crafts (it really doesn't have to be 2/3 star to make money). This doesn't eat much time and is already a start. Just a few suggestions I can think of spontanously.