Housing should be account bound....

[StouterTaru]

There is so much hypocrisy in that statement. How about the people who are not apart of nor want to join an FC? Should we just toss them by the wayside because they are individuals and not part of a group? How is that not also selfish?

It's a continuation of the same logic I was responding to. It's hypocrisy to say that one person having something that one other person could otherwise enjoy is selfish, but that one person having something a group of people could otherwise enjoy is just fine and dandy.

If you covet what someone else has, they are selfish for having it. If someone else covets what you have, they are selfish for wanting it. That is the clear hypocrisy; people thinking that their way is the "fair" way, and there is nothing wrong with the fact that their way would benefit them at the cost of someone else.

[RoseOfTheRaven]

Its not a direct fix. Much more would be needed to curb this issue. It is a start to allow people to actually use the housing they bought across all characters. Easy access to something you've paid for, which just happens to result in less housing...-snip-

I agree 100% with you. It will help others have houses without straining the data centers.

[worldofneil]

if the devs hadn't intended a limit on how many of these as single player could have access to they wouldn't have put the restrictions on how many we can put down on one plot.

Sorry, but that's not entirely correct.

SE actions/rules have made it so that a single CHARACTER can't own more than 2 houses (one FC, one personal), not a single player. They let us have 8 characters on a standard account so right now all we know is SE are saying there is a limit of 16 houses per account (8 personal, 8 FC, IF you're willing to put in all that time/effort, especially with levelling up 8 FCs to rank 6...).

Maybe it wasn't intentional and/or they didn't expect people to get multiple houses, but they haven't confirmed or denied that, but they haven't taken any actions in the past two years to limit housing purchases either.. Maybe because they don't really mind if players are doing that or maybe because they don't know how to handle people who already have above a limit without others complaining (take away the houses it's unfair to people who didn't do anything outside the rules, but block future additional purchases and those players with more have an ongoing advantage with respect to extra gardens and airships etc).

I'd also like to point out that someone who owns multiple houses hasn't necessarilyy done anything that another player couldn't have done either, if they're willing to put in the time/effort (an exceptional amount if they're going to level up multiple FCs...). I'm under no illusion that there is an element of luck involved in finding an empty plot, but for all we know those players with many houses were constantly checking for empty plots, so they'd naturally have a higher chance of finding a plot than someone who only checked once every few hours etc.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm simply saying I don't think we should direct at hate to players that have legitimately bought multiple houses (with no intention of selling them). The system lets them and if they're using them as they see fit (gardening/airships?) who are we to say otherwise? Nothing to stop us levelling up and trying our best to get additional houses too, it's just what they did...

I however don't agree at all with people who buy houses to try and sell them on at a higher price. That's where I personally draw the line on this, but I appreciate other people will have their own opinions and won't agree with what I've written and I respect that.

[Solarra]

You are right, I'm making assumptions and I could be wrong. The devs might have intended housing to work like a sort of 'Monopoly' mini-game and for richer players to have access to as many garden plots, airships etc as they could afford. Unless they say, there is no way of knowing for certain. I do doubt the present situation was intentional, though.

Having read all the arguments put forward in this thread, I still feel that with housing being so limited in supply it makes sense to make it account-bound, which is why I'm supporting the OPs suggestions. However, I'm not directing 'hate' at anyone. If someone owns multiple houses under the present system they are not breaking any rules and I accept that. I'd just like to see the rules changed.

[Titor]

I like having different houses for different rp spaces and different characters of mine, and am planning to buy a few smalls for my other rp character when the new wards come out despite having one for my primary character. The housing is FCFS. It is not my fault for wanting to use the system as intended and having rp spaces. If you want more rooms or more plots then please ask SE for it more. They should make it a priority.

Rather than asking for auto relinquish (Which is unfair to deployed military, sick individuals, and those on leave for personal reasons such as money) and now limiting to one per account. Even these are just band-aids and will not solve the greater problem. Do you see houses popping up for everyone every day from auto relinquish? No. Limiting to one per account will not fix the issue at all. There will be an initial surge of open houses if you force-remove currently bought housing from those that own multiple, then you will be right back to every ward being full aside from that tiny sliver chance of one being auto relinquished.

[Solarra]

I like having different houses for different rp spaces and different characters of mine, and am planning to buy a few smalls for my other rp character when the new wards come out despite having one for my primary character.

Of course you like it, it is of huge benefit to you personally. You also don't seem concerned that you might be having a negative impact on others, since you are acting within the rules. That just convinces me even more that the rules need changing. If enough people share your attitude, those new wards are going to be snapped up by property speculators and people like yourself leaving a lot of people who have been waiting patiently for housing still unable to buy one.

Your point that supply is the root of the problem is one I fully agree with. If supply could be increased to meet demand then we probably wouldn't need to have these discussions. However, since it appears Square will be sticking with the current model and only adding rooms (I assume personal rooms won't satisfy you or a lot of people as housing for alts) we do need to talk about this.

The housing is FCFS.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand this acronym, maybe you could come back and explain.

[Lujan]

Have it so you can only own one house and one fc house per account per server. Then the private house can be open rights to all characters on the account with the ability to add other tenets.

This would solve the issues of people owning multiple houses per account.

While i understand about your housing issue but this is not fair at all I know myself and many others that have 2 houses 1 with an alt with fc for airships and crafting reason. other on my main. so they wont do this.

And most Sclass Crafters have an fc alt with house and a house on the main.

[Dustytome]

While i understand about your housing issue but this is not fair at all I know myself and many others that have 2 houses 1 with an alt with fc for airships and crafting reason. other on my main. so they wont do this.

And most Sclass Crafters have an fc alt with house and a house on the main.

Which is part of the problem. Single people are owning multiple houses simply for the benefits they offer. Maybe those benefits should be account bound and the airships/gardens turned into personal assets instead of tied to each house. How many people would own multiple houses (to own, not to flip) if it didn't provide additional garden space/airships.

[worldofneil]

The housing is FCFS.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand this acronym, maybe you could come back and explain.

It stands for "First Come First Served".

I don't personally like the fact people who want houses can't get houses, but I have to agree with them here in that no one has an advantage to buying houses. It's just who has got their money ready and has levelled up their character to requirements etc and is ready to go as soon as they launch.

since it appears Square will be sticking with the current model and only adding rooms (I assume personal rooms won't satisfy you or a lot of people as housing for alts) we do need to talk about this.

I certainly can't speak for the entire player base, but I don't think it'll satisfy anyone who wants to decorate their exterior/garden or actually have a garden they can plant/grow things in.

I'm just hoping Square Enix has worked out a way to continually add new plots (automatically would be best...) so there's always housing available for those who want to buy it. That'd be nice anyway...

[papichulo123]

no account should have more then one house