Can Monk Outweigh the Support of Either a DRG or NIN?

[Violette]

Ninja's have their spot in progression groups, you can't replace them properly, not with monk and not with drg. Their raidutility is just too good. Don't think there was a single group in the world top 10s that didn't have a ninja with them. Trick Attack alone is such a strong skill. It's either nin/mnk or nin/drg. DRG / MNK is not viable during progression, especially since a monk can't get the most dps if he has to use purification instead of Forbidden Chakra. At this point of the content ofc, it probably does not matter anymore what you run

Watch in 4.0 as monks get 3 more tp restoring skills

[Sevyrr]

Watch in 4.0 as monks get 3 more tp restoring skills

Just something to use up that MP bar that sits glistening and fat, but useless.

[Violette]

Just something to use up that MP bar that sits glistening and fat, but useless.

Back in my day that was used to fuel the fists of skills!

[Claymore022]

It's either nin/mnk or nin/drg. DRG / MNK is not viable during progression, especially since a monk can't get the most dps if he has to use purification instead of Forbidden Chakra. At this point of the content ofc, it probably does not matter anymore what you run

My group uses mnk/DRG and dps has never even came close to being an issue. On a7 now and I don't think we'll run into any bumps because we don't have a nin. I've also never had to drop forbidden chakra for purification except on the SSS test. I haven't had any tp issues with all the breaks in the savage fights. So it definitely doesn't matter what you run with at this point.

[Violette]

My group uses mnk/DRG and dps has never even came close to being an issue. On a7 now and I don't think we'll run into any bumps because we don't have a nin. I've also never had to drop forbidden chakra for purification except on the SSS test. I haven't had any tp issues with all the breaks in the savage fights. So it definitely doesn't matter what you run with at this point.

Well that's the caveat of the discussion. You can do content with all sorts of compositions, but when you're doing proper progression before gear becomes plentiful, there are always going to be superior compositions.

[boring]

no, 10char

jesus christ marie

[AsunaStrife]

My group uses mnk/DRG and dps has never even came close to being an issue. On a7 now and I don't think we'll run into any bumps because we don't have a nin. I've also never had to drop forbidden chakra for purification except on the SSS test. I haven't had any tp issues with all the breaks in the savage fights. So it definitely doesn't matter what you run with at this point.

Yea, but keep in mind the content is 2 months old now. Like i said, it probably doesnt matter anymore now since lore gear and raid gear by now should have made up any dps issues, but during progress nin is just golden

[Krindor]

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Grabbing the DPS numbers from Elysiums world first clear DRG and NIN would come out even as far as DPS utility goes. The only reason to bring NIN over DRG is goad and threat utilities, NIN also deal less DPS compared to a DRG so taking that into account they come out as equals. Though to be fair I would probably go NIN/DRG for A8S, MNK loses GL without PB at least once due to mechanics so DRG/NIN would probably come out ahead in terms of DPS.

[Violette]

Grabbing the DPS numbers from Elysiums world first clear DRG and NIN would come out even as far as DPS utility goes. The only reason to bring NIN over DRG is goad and threat utilities, NIN also deal less DPS compared to a DRG so taking that into account they come out as equals. Though to be fair I would probably go NIN/DRG for A8S, MNK loses GL without PB at least once due to mechanics so DRG/NIN would probably come out ahead in terms of DPS.

Yes but no-one is saying Mnk/nin>drg/nin for dps...

[Krindor]

Yes but no-one is saying Mnk/nin>drg/nin for dps...

In most fights you would go MNK/NIN for DPS, what reason other than DPS unless you don't have a DRK would you pick a MNK for? Mantra? If I'm not wrong the reason for the time it took to beat A8S was more due to mechanics and DPS check than what would be saved with the increased healing by mantra. There's a reason SE buffed MNKs DPS and not utility for this tier of raiding.