The arrogance of some people

[Iagainsti]

Excess Healer DPS IS required to clear at the initial iLvl

Thank you for the clarification, either I had not read that or missed it if it had been posted here. I still have a problem with the word "Excees" though, because it doesn't really define healer damage in top tier raids, where I'd say any damage is necessary damage to complete the clear, I don't think it's overkill.

[Iagainsti]

So 1000+ replies and sitll the same circle jerking? 'ight.

May the arrogance of some people last another 1000 posts.

[Ghishlain]

1. They DO consider Healer DPS: just the minimum DPS that they do when they're healing: Think Assize, or the DPS increase that comes with Fey Wind, etc.

FYI, later in the interview, Yoshi-P says this (I've included your quote as well just for context):

Let's get right into it - we've seen many posts from readers relating to end-game content. When you go through development, how do you decide how to set the difficulty? For example, the amount of DPS required for each particular content.

Yoshida: When we make battle content, first we determine a minimum assumed item level required to clear. Then, we determine the total amount of party damage required to clear, taking a minimal amount of damage from tanks and healers into account during this calculation.

What do you mean by minimal?

Yoshida: Basically it's the damage from tank auto-attacks and the basic skill rotation used in order to maintain hate. We add this to the party damage needed. However, we often use zero in the calculation for damage required from healers. In other words, we only take into account the amount of damage necessary to perform as a tank or a healer and we don't take them into account as actively participating in attacking. For the clear assumption on DPS, we calculate the 100% value for the item level and we reduce that by 10 to 15 percent for the amount required to clear.

I don't really want to put my foot into this debate because I've done it to death on the healer forum, and I don't intend to sift through 1K+ posts of what I'm pretty certain is the same thing as discussed there. But just wanted to present the entire quote so everyone can understand the context it was written in.

Source of mine and KaitlanKela's quotes - Slycer translation on BG of 4gamer interview.

[Judah_Brandt]

What you basically did here was paraphrase my rebuttal, attempting to make it seem like your point of view that I am the one who doesn't understand, and then make the comment that DPS choosing to DPS instead of healing is actively making it more difficult for others. This is just about the stupidest thing you could've said. A DPS doesn't have the capability of healing the party, unless for some reason you're referencing Physick on a BLM or SMN.

Your poorly worded attempt at a rebuttal makes little in the way of sense, because you're somehow trying to use my argument of Healer utility as some divergent view of a player making things harder for a group by choosing to play as a DPS class. I apologize if that wasn't what you meant, but if it is that's absolutely idiotic. I'm going to go ahead and stop replying to your responses now, because I'm relatively sure anyone with the ability to clearly comprehend things understands my viewpoint on the situation, while I have absolutely zero idea what you're even trying to say any more as it is getting more and more skewed as the responses come.

TL;DR - Let's just agree to disagree, because I don't even think you know what your point is any more.

[KaitlanKela]

FYI, later in the interview, Yoshi-P says this (I've included your quote as well just for context):




I don't really want to put my foot into this debate because I've done it to death on the healer forum, and I don't intend to sift through 1K+ posts of what I'm pretty certain is the same thing as discussed there. But just wanted to present the entire quote so everyone can understand the context it was written in.

Source of mine and KaitlanKela's quotes - Slycer translation on BG of 4gamer interview.

This is correct ^^ I kinda skimmed it and I saw "minimal DPS contribution" and took it to mean non-dps classes, but it only meant tanks, my fault.

Point still stands: If you want to clear at the minimal ilvl, healers and tanks have GOT to DPS. DPS or wait for gear, your choice.

[FeliAiko]

Dev's stance on Healer (and Tanks, I guess) DPS is similar to that of Parsers. They know it's a thing and have no issues with it in principle, but at the same time they don't/won't officially endorse the concept.

[Yukiko]

Currently we are having a battle development team out of control...
Yoshi-P is too busy and he once said he havnt finished the storyline yet...
I will accept it if yoshi-p or a random dev team can clear savage but as long as the same battle team that created the boss can clear it, its not good enough!
I dont mind giving them some gear as long as they SEE what they have produced... they must FEEL the pain and not only watch videos from battle team!

Well, i wonder if they have enough healers or tanks *giggle*

[Powe]

( I only read like the 10 and last 3 pages here) Personally I don't care if a healer also does DPS, I only care if they do what they're doing correctly. Like for example, the SCH. If a sch has their fairy on sic ( doesn't matter which fairy) it kinda bugs me, if they're dps its going to hurt them since eos using whispering dawn whenever a fights starts and it's not available when the going gets tough. If they're healing ....... really doesn't affect them but still Eos is just wasting her CD's.

[WinterLuna]

I think people need to understand that DPSing isn't a healers job.

DPSing as a healer (and keeping the party alive) makes you a good healer. Not DPSing means you're doing your job, but you could do better.

Just because a healer doesn't DPS doesn't mean they are bad. If they are doing their job then you shouldn't be complaining. Not everyone has the ability to heal and DPS, especially new healers. Practice makes perfect and I would never call a healer bad because they didn't DPS if they are keeping the party alive.

I personally heal and DPS, I even DPS more than heal sometimes, but that doesn't mean every healer is obliged to.

[Ragnorak]

Don't be so closed minded healing is more than just standing there waiting for bars to drop. Its not a great national tragedy if someone's asks for a holy now and then or some dots