What if damage numbers were not displayed ?

[Reynhart]

This game doesn't have build variety, and even if it did, it's far better to know exactly how much damage you're doing.

No, actually, it's not that important. This mentality is what creates insane situation like people requiring a Relic to invite you to Titan Hard mode back in 2.0, or asking a Gordian weapon to join a static in 3.0.

Limiting everyone's ability to optimize and min-max just because some shitters want to pretend like they're worth as much as those who use proper builds is ridiculous.

You make it sound like proper build is miiiiiles away from other where the difference is minimal once you've obtained the highest ilvl you can. Secondary stats have so little impact compared to primary stats that we should have far more option to equip ourselves outside of "Crit + Det build only".

So unless you mean you want to remove potency values from skill descriptions (which, would be stupid) then it wouldn't change anything

Actually, it's the exact opposite. You could work on your rotation all you want by calculating potencies, and it would be the same wether you want focus your gear on parry, skillspeed, Det or Crit.

Theres always the battle log in the chat as well.

No, actually, I'd remove damage even in the log. The idea is really to remove any way to see the damage.

[xJimmehx]

No, actually, I'd remove damage even in the log. The idea is really to remove any way to see the damage.

Ah, I would only be ok with hiding my damage from others(optionally) and pop up text tends to flood my screen so a option to toggle that would be cool too if it is not already in game.(I should look :P) Theres no reason to hide damage from yourself really. Unless your going to yell at yourself for not meeting your own goals.(lol) Though, I do understand why youd want to hide it from other people, and/or for immersion purposes if that is your thing as well.

Edit: Actually there is a reason to hide it from yourself. If you can see dragoon dps with a certain gearset while your a dragoon, then you no longer need to see others damage to know what theyll do with the same conditions/set on the same class.. so theres that. But This also requires you having identical rotations. Either way i dont support losing the ability to see my own damage.

[Reynhart]

Ah, I would only be ok with hiding my damage from others(optionally) and pop up text tends to flood my screen so a option to toggle that would be cool too if it is not already in game.

The problem is that if they have a way of seeing their own damage, they'll still theorycraft exactly what is the best (And thus, only...) option, on their own. They'd still be able to determine the weight of each stats, post this on Arilaya, etc...
This would be enough for everyone to bash you on the head on how such setup is better even if they just heard it from their elite friend...exactly like even non world-firsters were eager to jump on the "PLD sucks" wagon even though it made absolutely no meaningful difference for them.

[xJimmehx]

Yeah. im not sure youll solve that particular problem even if you did hide damage. People single out classes in Black Desert too, even without the information on screen. It was a good idea though and I cant blame you for trying.

[Reynhart]

Yeah. im not sure youll solve that particular problem even if you did hide damage. People single out classes in Black Desert too, even without the information on screen. It was a good idea though and I cant blame you for trying.

You mean classes between each other, or two players playing the same class ? (With the same player skill, of course.)

Here I feel that if you take two ilvl230 tanks of the same job, one of them stacking the most parry he can and the other following BiS, their damage output will not be that much different.
And if we want more options in future gear, we have to move away from this mentality.

[xJimmehx]

In BDO there is certain gear that is BiS and theres classes that are considered best/worse by the community. Though i will admit, most of the arguing i see is more so towards the classes themselves rather than the gear. So maybe you are on to something. Im not really sure if that would stop the discrimination. I am sure however. That people will still be people and do people things and that includes war. For any reason, big or small. As long as there is something to fight about. If you start ripping things out of the game to fix that, They will nit pick something else until you take nearly everything out. You might as well just not have a game. Actually, There would be nothing left and they would still complain at that so what can you do? lol

[Reynhart]

In BDO there is certain gear that is BiS and theres classes that are considered best/worse by the community. Though i will admit, most of the arguing i see is more so towards the classes themselves rather than the gear. So maybe you are on to something.

I'm still a new player at BDO (and mostly solo for now), so I've not yet followed any arguing.

They will nit pick something else until you take nearly everything out. You might as well just not have a game. Actually, There would be nothing left and they would still complain at that so what can you do? lol

Not neccesarily. Before 3.2, people argued about what main stat to chose for tanks. Now, it's out of the way, so they're back to deciding which secondary stat you chose. If you remove that, what will they nitpick about ? Jobs ? They can, and it's a balance issue that's not in their hands. Player skill ? They can and, in fact...they should, because skill is a real concern.

And player skill will not be taken out of content (Except main story ), so they'll just focus on that forever, which is...kind of a good thing, if we want players to improve.