Pros and Cons of each Healer Role

[Ghishlain]

LMAO, I have to say I think it's quite amusing that some people are saying SCH has very powerful shields, while at the same time saying AST has mediocre shields - when, aside from the RNG based Adlo crit, AST shields are actually the same potencty or slightly more potent due to the 5% buff in Noc stance.

EDIT: I should clarify I'm referring to Succor vs. Aspected Helios and the shields from Sacred Soil vs. Collective.

I agree, I wouldn't say it's as OP as some have written written but it's also fairly clear that SCH shields and mitigation are better than AST shields and mitigation.

• Adlo's shield w/ CRIT of 548 starts to match and exceed Aspected Benefic's shield when you average it all out
• Deployed Adlo (even no Crit) is better than Aspected Helios
• Supervirus + Sacred Soil + Succor is better than Disable + Collective Unconsciousness + Aspected Helios more often than naught (additional 5% reduced on a 10K attack is 500 damage, Aspected Helios needs to heal for an impossible 10K without Sect bonus to get that 500 mitigation back)

What Noctutrnal AST does give you is reliability and more overall mitigation in the less controlled scenarios.

Funny thing is, even though Aspected Helios is technically better than Succor when looked objectively side-by-side, most ASTs should be defaulting to using normal Helios outside of select niche scenarios as getting raw HP back at less MP is generally much more beneficial then eHP when there's no raid buster coming up in the future or if that raid buster can't outright kill the raid.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Oh, for sure, the crit Adlo + Deployment is Godly. Back when I was farming SephEX for weapons, any time I went SCH I would fish for a crit Adlo right before his super move. Any time that crit hit for like 5,000-6,000 + E4E + Deployment, it was laughable to see virtually no damage taken when the blast hit.

[Kaurie]

LMAO, I have to say I think it's quite amusing that some people are saying SCH has very powerful shields, while at the same time saying AST has mediocre shields - when, aside from the RNG based Adlo crit, AST shields are actually the same potency or slightly more potent due to the 5% buff in Noc stance.

EDIT: I should clarify I'm referring to Succor vs. Aspected Helios and the shields from Sacred Soil vs. Collective.

I guess I can elaborate. The reason why SCH shields are also much more powerful is due to Deploy + Fairy + Adlo Crit. You can deploy an adlo which is significantly stronger than succor/aspected helios - especially if it crits, but is not requried. You also have a fairy healing while you are shielding which is nothing to scoff at.

I'm sorry that I offended your class of choice with my statement.

That said, you are adding in RNG based Adlo crit - but the major benefit of an AST is the RNG based card system. RNG is life.

Oh, for sure, the crit Adlo + Deployment is Godly. Back when I was farming SephEX for weapons, any time I went SCH I would fish for a crit Adlo right before his super move. Any time that crit hit for like 5,000-6,000 + E4E + Deployment, it was laughable to see virtually no damage taken when the blast hit.

That seems like a pretty big waste of E4E :|


One more thing (edit if you already read the above), the biggest reason why SCH shields are more powerful has to do with the predictability and breaks in the encounter design. If damage was more consistent and less predictable, the reliability of constant shields that Noct stance would be great. However, as you mentioned in Seph EX you have enough time to cast like 10 adlo's after the Cochma dies and before the aoe limit break, that is plenty of time to land a crit and deploy (i'd crit/deploy 80%+ of the time easy). There seems to always be a nice buffer to allow you to aim for that crit when it's needed.

[NorthernLadMSP]

You didn't offend my job of choice as I play (and love) all three healers. All three of my healers are also geared at the same level and I make it a point to always keep it that way, as much as is within my control. Your point was obviously meant to try and make one job's shielding skills sound amazing while making the other sound completely average, which when you really look at the numbers, is pretty inaccurate.

[Kaurie]

You didn't offend my job of choice as I play (and love) all three healers. All three of my healers are also geared at the same level and I make it a point to always keep it that way, as much as is within my control. Your point was obviously meant to try and make one job's shielding skills sound amazing while making the other sound completely average, which when you really look at the numbers, is pretty inaccurate.

Yeah, that isn't true. SCH's shields are amazing and AST's shields are lackluster when you take everything else into account. It is more than just the shields at play, which is where the confusion came from i guess.

No reason to be rude though.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Yeah, that isn't true. SCH's shields are amazing and AST's shields are lackluster when you take everything else into account. It is more than just the shields at play, which is where the confusion came from i guess.

No reason to be rude though.

I'm sorry, how was I being rude? Because I don't agree with your statement?

[Kaurie]

I'm sorry, how was I being rude?

The tone of, "you're point was obviously meant to.." followed by an assumed rhetoric.

[NorthernLadMSP]

The tone of, "you're point was obviously meant to.." followed by an assumed rhetoric.

I think you need to try and be a little less over-sensitive. You might not agree with my choice of wording, but that doesn't make me a rude person.

Have a nice day.

[Yhisa]

Snip.

U do know that spell speed effects lightspeed right ? Which allows u to get a lot more casts off

Also ur potency on hots is misleading due to spell speed effects the potency of hots it may be small but it still effects the potency

I mean bone dragon in crystal tower, 2 alliances got wrecked and they had whm/sch.... And here is me with a sch and outhealed the damage recieved solo without sch help,,, and this is because everyone ignored the skeleton adds

If we go by ur logic WHM burst is by using cooldowns to achieve that burst, when ast does the same there burst is much higher then WHM in terms of AoE healing and dont eat up mana either

AST got the best Kit out of all the healers with certain combos u can push both healer dps and not worry about healing for a while, which a WHM or SCH cannot do, there is a lot of tricks to learn as AST which many people have not even learned

[Yhisa]

It just annoys me a lot when i see or hear poor things said about ast or compared to other

AST require a HIGH skill cap to play and once u learn tricks with ur cooldowns it outshines all other healers

But people will flame saying but SCH/WHM got X skill. But forgets AST also have cooldowns too that are in sync with each other

There is endless of combos an astrologian can do with there kit unlike WHM/SCH which is set in stone

So far i have learned this tricks as AST

- Mega HoT trick
- 3 cards trick
- Omega AoE damage trick

Thing is AST can keep things rolling if u do not blow everything all at once u need to be patient and use ur brain and stop fishing for AoE balance/arrow and use ur cards/royal road properly to achieve maximum benefit