Pros and Cons of each Healer Role

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

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Before I get into any of that... "nonsense". Do tell me where this magical spell speed benefit comes from for Astrologian?

[Ghishlain]

...where do I even begin *Rubs temples*

U do know that spell speed effects lightspeed right ? Which allows u to get a lot more casts off

You are mistaken. Spell speed reduces the cast time and recast time of your spells. All Lightspeed does is reduce the cast time of spells by 2.5s while it's active. You're not using GCDs any faster (though you are front loading your heals). That's just an affect of your Spell Speed on your GCD when combined with the cast time reduction of Lightspeed (maybe a small exception with Gravity but you shouldn't be using Gravity with Lightspeed normally).

Also ur potency on hots is misleading due to spell speed effects the potency of hots it may be small but it still effects the potency

Any potency AST can get from SpS, WHM can get stacking an equal amount of SpS. I'm not quite sure what's the point of this comment.

I mean bone dragon in crystal tower, 2 alliances got wrecked and they had whm/sch.... And here is me with a sch and outhealed the damage recieved solo without sch help,,, and this is because everyone ignored the skeleton adds

If we go by ur logic WHM burst is by using cooldowns to achieve that burst, when ast does the same there burst is much higher then WHM in terms of AoE healing and dont eat up mana either

This isn't proof that AST has better healing than WHM. This is just proof that maybe you reacted to the failed mechanic much better than the other healers did in the other alliances - thus you succeed and they wiped. If you look at the actual potency per second of each spell and potential buffs at level 50, you get this order of magnitude:

Medica = 300 Potency @ 2.5s cast time = 120 potency per second per person
Helios = 300 Potency @ 2.5s * 0.95 = 126.3 potency per second per person
Medica w/ PoM = 300 potency @ 2.5s * 0.8 = 150 Potency per second per person
Helios w/ Synastry = 300 Potency * 1.2 @ 2.5s * 0.95 = 151.6 potency per second per person
Medica w/ Divine Seal = 300 Potency * 1.3 @ 2.5s = 156 potency per second per person
Helios w/ Synastry + Arrow = 300 Potency * 1.2 @ 2.5s * 0.95 * 0.9 = 169.0 potency per second per person
Helios w/ Synastry + Enhanced Arrow = 300 Potency * 1.2 @ 2.5s * 0.95 * 0.85 = 179.10 potency per second per person
Medica w/ Divine Seal + PoM = 300 Potency * 1.3 @ 2.5s * 0.8 = 195 potency per second per person

Also not sure what you mean by "not eating up Mana" in your post since AST doesn't have an AoE heal ability that isn't a HoT.

AST got the best Kit out of all the healers with certain combos u can push both healer dps and not worry about healing for a while, which a WHM or SCH cannot do, there is a lot of tricks to learn as AST which many people have not even learned

It just annoys me a lot when i see or hear poor things said about ast or compared to other

AST require a HIGH skill cap to play and once u learn tricks with ur cooldowns it outshines all other healers

But people will flame saying but SCH/WHM got X skill. But forgets AST also have cooldowns too that are in sync with each other

There is endless of combos an astrologian can do with there kit unlike WHM/SCH which is set in stone

So far i have learned this tricks as AST

- Mega HoT trick
- 3 cards trick
- Omega AoE damage trick

Thing is AST can keep things rolling if u do not blow everything all at once u need to be patient and use ur brain and stop fishing for AoE balance/arrow and use ur cards/royal road properly to achieve maximum benefit

Every job has their nuances that require them to play well and have different tactics and tricks that work well with their kits. Divine Seal + Regen + Medica II + Asylum (360 potency / tick) pretty much equals AST's super HoT ticks (366 potency / tick) at the cost of having less duration but WHM "mitigation" can be extended on trash via Holy stun on Trash for an additional 7 seconds. The most obvious trick in the SCH kit is Deployed Adlo, but can combine with Fey Illuminate + Dissipation for insane mitigation in a single sitting if required.

Yes, it's annoying when people say that AST can't compete as that shows a level of ignorance of a past incarnation of the job. With that being said, telling everyone else to "learn to play" that you are prone to do in a myriad amount of your posts isn't the way to do it. Instead it just shows a level of ignorance from you about the entire healing paradigm. Right now, all I get from your posts is that (1) you're an AST fanboy/girl (2) you show a level of contempt for other healers that's unhealthy and (3) you have a level of ignorance about game mechanics and it hurts your posts and logic more than it helps.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Eh, I kind of wanted to squeeze whatever knowledge out of Yhisa, but this works

[Yhisa]

Spell speed reduce ur RECAST time aswell... Light speed gives 4 casts with 0 spell speed but u can Gain a 5th cast by stacking spell speed... Dont belive me try it xD

If u did not know this then all i can say is wow talk about an over sight
Its near around 900 spell speed u get the 5th cast (can almost get a 6th with arrow) and i knew this by self testing as i was curious if i could get another cast by reducing my RECAST time

And yes its true that lightspeed only reduce ur cast time only and not recast... But spell speed reduce cast and recast which benefits lightspeed a lot

[zuzu-bq]

Pleasant cat noises.

I like your posts, but sadly I see a lot of people failing to understand what you point out.

[Kaurie]

Spell speed reduce ur RECAST time aswell... Light speed gives 4 casts with 0 spell speed but u can Gain a 5th cast by stacking spell speed... Dont belive me try it xD

If u did not know this then all i can say is wow talk about an over sight Its near around 900 spell speed u get the 5th cast (can almost get a 6th with arrow) and i knew this by self testing as i was curious if i could get another cast by reducing my RECAST time

And yes its true that lightspeed only reduce ur cast time only and not recast... But spell speed reduce cast and recast which benefits lightspeed a lot

I would assuem you could get the 5th instant with very minimal spell speed, no? Right now duration is 10s and gcd = 2.5s, which means

0s = free cast
2.5 = free cast
5.0 = free cast
7.5 = free cast
10 = over

make your casts 2.49 seconds and you get

0 = free cast
2.49 = free cast
4.98 = free cast
7.47 = free cast
9.96 = free cast
12.45 = over

Granted, that assumes like 0 latency, so you'd need a bit more SS to compensate. No? You only need Lightspeed active as a buff when you start the cast, not finish the recast. Right?

[Yhisa]

.... Light speed reduce ur MP cost of spells aswell i swear ur both really over sighting the AST kit

Lightspeed + ewer or aether malipulation = free AoE healing if u stack spell speed enjoy ur 5th instant spell before light speed wears of, unless u want to extent it with celestrial opposition which gives more mana regen and more light speed casts

Yeah let see a WHM do that xD appart from the free assize WHM have to burn MP to use medica 1/2 or Cure 3 where ast can Burst heal the entire party without spending any MP and throw out a AoE regen too with 0 cost

Like i said AST require u to combo ur kit if u do this No other healer can beat u

And if i have speat and mech /bard already blow cooldowns throw it on urself so u van burst Sooner next time

Please stop over sighting the AST kit as a whole

[Yhisa]

0s = free cast
2.5 = free cast
5.0 = free cast
7.5 = free cast
10 = over

make your casts 2.49 seconds and you get

0 = free cast
2.49 = free cast
4.98 = free cast
7.47 = free cast
9.96 = free cast
12.45 = over

Granted, that assumes like 0 latency, so you\\'d need a bit more SS to compensate. No? You only need Lightspeed active as a buff when you start the cast, not finish the recast. Right?

ADD the 5% speed u gain from Diurnal sect aswell... U can drop ur cast and recast to 1.50 cast and 2.20 recast if u throw an arrow on yourself

Iv already done it a few times and got 5 casts of remeber that there is delays when u cast spells within the game (u know the cast and move trick) so ur final 5th cast goes off anyway if i knew how to make videos and upload it i would have shown the prove of it which will then change the statement of Astrologian a lot

[Yhisa]

Remeber u can do all the math u want on paper i would be wrong

But in game and how it works im not wrong u can get 5 casts off , this is how players move and cast at the same time without even being 3/4 of the casted spell... Im always doing it on ever caster job... Running around using blizzard 2 like im iceskating , or stutter stepping when i cast malefic 2

[Yhisa]

Triple post cause on mobile

I know what im talking about because my warrior is always trying to get me to burn MP i always come out of fights after HUGE pulls and still remain at 100% mp and this is doing the mega hot trick, lightspeed/gravity trick dealing high AOE damage and insane healing whilst staying in cleric stance

Litterally come to my server on phoenix and i will show u the OPness of AST just whisper Miyu Shun and u be like wtf