Low level tanks (pre-tank stance) have a very hard time holding threat after the nerf

[winsock]

you're more likely going to run into a fully-geared-60 level-sync down to your first 15 sastasha and completely decimate your hate generation, under-geared tank or not.

That's just not the case.

Low lvl GLD tutorial:

On a boss:
Lead with shield lob
Repeat hate combo
FoF on cooldown

^ if you can't hold with this, update your gear.

If you're on trash and the DPS have split targets:
Flash -> Flash is about 40% better than fast blade -> savage blade. If you can hold a boss, you can hold trash. If you can't hold a boss, see boss tutorial above.

[ashwich]

That's just not the case.

Low lvl GLD tutorial:

On a boss:
Lead with shield lob
Repeat hate combo
FoF on cooldown

^ if you can't hold with this, update your gear.

If you're on trash and the DPS have split targets:
Flash -> Flash is about 40% better than fast blade -> savage blade. If you can hold a boss, you can hold trash. If you can't hold a boss, see boss tutorial above.

it's not a matter of method.

my point stands, there's no reason tanks shouldn't have basic tools when they're required to do their job starting lvl 15.

[Rongway]

there's no reason tanks shouldn't have basic tools when they're required to do their job starting lvl 15.

savage blade as only enmity generator other than flash

Found your problem.

You have a fundamentally flawed misunderstanding of the GLA hate combo. It goes

Flash > Flash > Flash > Flash > Fast Blade > Flash > Riot Blade > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Flash > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Flash > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Fast Blade > Riot Blade

There is no Savage Blade.

[ashwich]

Found your problem.

You have a fundamentally flawed misunderstanding of the GLA hate combo. It goes

Flash > Flash > Flash > Flash > Fast Blade > Flash > Riot Blade > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Flash > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Flash > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Fast Blade > Riot Blade

There is no Savage Blade.

I stand corrected. please nerf the overpowered flash

[Tsilyi]

Flash > Flash > Flash > Flash > Fast Blade > Flash > Riot Blade > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Flash > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Flash > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Fast Blade > Riot Blade

There is no Savage Blade.

Is this hyperbole? I can't tell via text. I never had to do this much flash before nor after the tank changes even with dps attacking random targets.. Also, are just specifically suggesting this method for mob packs or are you saying for bosses as well (as in, did the savage blade threat buff not eclipse using flash single target at lower levels)?

[ashwich]

Is this hyperbole? I can't tell via text. I never had to do this much flash before nor after the tank changes even with dps attacking random targets.. Also, are just specifically suggesting this method for mob packs or are you saying for bosses as well (as in, did the savage blade threat buff not eclipse using flash single target at lower levels)?

going back on previous posts, I think he's absolutely serious. This is a good work around for trash pulls. I'm not sure about single target boss tbh, it may be on par or better than your standard FB>SB in a 15 sastasha.

But if someone is encouraged to use bizarre methods like this to hold hate, I think it's time for ability order revision.

[Pells]

Is this hyperbole? I can't tell via text. I never had to do this much flash before nor after the tank changes even with dps attacking random targets.. Also, are just specifically suggesting this method for mob packs or are you saying for bosses as well (as in, did the savage blade threat buff not eclipse using flash single target at lower levels)?

At low levels before you have Rage of Halone or Shield Oath, this is the biggest threat generation you can manage as a paladin. So no, it's not hyperbole.

going back on previous posts, I think he's absolutely serious. This is a good work around for trash pulls. I'm not sure about single target boss tbh, it may be on par or better than your standard FB>SB in a 15 sastasha.

But if someone is encouraged to use bizarre methods like this to hold hate, I think it's time for ability order revision.

Neither is it bizarre. It's been this way since 2.0 launched. The reason it's looked down on is because Flash does no damage. That is: it doesn't fit the dps tanking meta. You know, that thing that's only applicable at Savage level raiding with a static. So of course you would follow it at level 15 in a pug dungeon...

[Tsilyi]

At low levels before you have Rage of Halone or Shield Oath, this is the biggest threat generation you can manage as a paladin. So no, it's not hyperbole.

I see... I have not had to resort to that much flash at any time before or after the changes pre-halone/shield oath, but I could understand if you're worried about aoe threat. Surely it's not better single target threat with the buff to savage blade, that was my main question.