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  1. #141
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    If you actually read the thread there are some people who do have problems with this, and understand that you made no point against me. I don't care if people enjoy playing it. People enjoy playing classes that are 70% worse then every other class but they enjoy it, doesn't mean it doesn't need fixed or a buff. That isn't really a valid excuse. You didn't argue that it wasn't clunky however.

    I mean, people enjoyed playing a Gnome tank when it took double the damage of an Ogre because it was fun. Doesn't mean it wasn't clunky.
    yeah i read the thread and only 2-3 persons have problem with that.
    1º of all, ppl tested in the 2.0 macros never work for combine 2 skills for delay, thats not a problem of the class, DRK is a class designed and tested for a lot of players and raiders , DRK pass by far 2 savage tier raids, ¿do you think if a lot of ppl have the problems you descrie SE don't make the ajustment what needs?
    fix you internet
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  2. #142
    Player Yuni_Queen's Avatar
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    Brynhildr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    I can deal with slight delays mind you, but when its full OCD for a lot of your skills it is a real PTA. Lol! ... Especially I can't stress this enough, defensive skills.
    You can complain about a lot of things on DRK, but complaining about about delays on animations is blasphemy. Those are quick (except Plunge, but we all hate Plunge's delay).

    When i play MCH i feel the clunkiness. i really do. But not as DRK. All is smooth (EXCEPT PLUNGE ;__; ) and nice, especially when you want to use oGCDs between weaponskills.
    Don't forget DRK has highest skill speed of all tank classes, so this may be your problem, when it comes to popping 2 oGCD in one GCD. especially under Blood Weapon.

    PS your previous post had more than 1k chars. What is this magic. i have to cut my posts by 3/4 (literally) once i finish typing.
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    Last edited by Yuni_Queen; 04-18-2016 at 03:50 AM. Reason: meme sneaked in

  3. #143
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    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    yeah i read the thread and only 2-3 persons have problem with that.
    1º of all, ppl tested in the 2.0 macros never work for combine 2 skills for delay, thats not a problem of the class, DRK is a class designed and tested for a lot of players and raiders , DRK pass by far 2 savage tier raids, ¿do you think if a lot of ppl have the problems you descrie SE don't make the ajustment what needs?
    fix you internet
    Yeah, that really really low % of players who passed Savage raids at the time out of millions. Nice argument buddy, but what does that even have to do with Dark Knight being clunky? Your just kind of making arguments to argue, not really proper excuses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen View Post
    You can complain about a lot of things on DRK, but complaining about about delays on animations is blasphemy. Those are quick (except Plunge, but we all hate Plunge's delay).

    When i play MCH i feel the clunkiness. i really do. But not as DRK. All is smooth (EXCEPT PLUNGE ;__ and nice, especially when you want to use oGCDs between weaponskills.
    Don't forget DRK has highest skill speed of all tank classes, so this may be your problem, when it comes to popping 2 oGCD in one GCD. especially under Blood Weapon.

    PS your previous post had more than 1k chars. What is this magic. i have to cut my posts by 3/4 (literally) once i finish typing.
    Even with Skillspeed you still have a 0.5 second delay regardless of how much skill/attack speed you acquire.
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  4. #144
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    Animation lock doesn't really bother me. I generally use Plunge as a reminder when to reapply Scourge.
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  5. #145
    Player Yuni_Queen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Animation lock doesn't really bother me. I generally use Plunge as a reminder when to reapply Scourge.
    Plunge is actually only annoying in openings. Then i am not really bothered with that delay.

    Aaaand 0.5 delay is not a lot. its normal. paladin has 0.5. warrior has 0.5. ninja has 0.5.
    The exceptions are DRG, BLM and MCH as far as i noticed during playing.
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  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen View Post
    Plunge is actually only annoying in openings. Then i am not really bothered with that delay.

    Aaaand 0.5 delay is not a lot. its normal. paladin has 0.5. warrior has 0.5. ninja has 0.5.
    The exceptions are DRG, BLM and MCH as far as i noticed during playing.
    Everyone has roughly a .5 with the exception of jump. I can speak esp on mch having animation lock for ogcds, esp during rapid fire
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  7. #147
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Yeah, that really really low % of players who passed Savage raids at the time out of millions. Nice argument buddy, but what does that even have to do with Dark Knight being clunky? Your just kind of making arguments to argue, not really proper excuses.
    hoooooooo yeah you open my eyes, i really convinced a lot of raiders don't beat the first tier because DPS checks, hoo great measias thank you for free me about my blind mind and show me DRK are the core of all evil.

    ho yeah i remember you tank busters are perfectly place in a rotation, and dark arts give you a 10 seconds buff, wow don't let the animation lock you dark mind i the worst moment.

    argument huh? im main DRK and MT in my raid, 0 problems when i touch the job in 3.0 more when in that time i have only 8M of internet (now 30) and european servers, more delay that i pass you never whave it , what are you? a lazy tank player and DRK(say by you) how don't even try to be good with the job, i don't need offer better changes for DRK because DRK don't need it, only OT lacks a little and thats all, no more no less, every pro, average and casual DRK how know how to playit can say the same to you, a lot of ppl say this to you in millions ways and you stay here talking like whe are idiots and you are touch by the gods grace to iluminate us
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  8. #148
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    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    hoooooooo yeah you open my eyes, i really convinced a lot of raiders don't beat the first tier because DPS checks, hoo great measias thank you for free me about my blind mind and show me DRK are the core of all evil.

    ho yeah i remember you tank busters are perfectly place in a rotation, and dark arts give you a 10 seconds buff, wow don't let the animation lock you dark mind i the worst moment.

    argument huh? im main DRK and MT in my raid, 0 problems when i touch the job in 3.0 more when in that time i have only 8M of internet (now 30) and european servers, more delay that i pass you never whave it , what are you? a lazy tank player and DRK(say by you) how don't even try to be good with the job, i don't need offer better changes for DRK because DRK don't need it, only OT lacks a little and thats all, no more no less, every pro, average and casual DRK how know how to playit can say the same to you, a lot of ppl say this to you in millions ways and you stay here talking like whe are idiots and you are touch by the gods grace to iluminate us
    I respect your opinion so you should respect mine as well, it doesn't work both ways. I am sure everything for Dark Knight (to you) is completely perfect and needs no adjustments or changes. I respectfully disagree. Ok?

    I am glad your enjoying the class, I hope you do so more.

    I am a firm believer though, that nothing and nobody is perfect and always needs to improve; myself included.
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    Last edited by Nektulos-Tuor; 04-18-2016 at 04:50 AM.

  9. #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    I respect your opinion so you should respect mine as well, it doesn't work both ways. I am sure everything for Dark Knight (to you) is completely perfect and needs no adjustments or changes. I respectfully disagree. Ok?

    I am glad your enjoying the class, I hope you do so more.

    I am a firm believer though, that nothing and nobody is perfect and always needs to improve; myself included.
    *sigh* i don't care if someone don't like the class, the set or wathever, is something natural, i respect the effort you do to writing this posts but 1º whe need you respect DRK is a job how can dealt all the conten very well, is designe by a full team of experts, is the only job of the 3 how don't touch at all because work as should and none complaing about DRK perfonmance... except you.

    you don't like this version of DRK? is adapted to MMO model and lore of the game, call it cancer is a insult for all ppl how play it more when you don't play the full potential, just leave it alone, leave us play our job, this version of the DRK come to stay.
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  10. #150
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    Juyon Intoner
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen View Post
    PS your previous post had more than 1k chars. What is this magic. i have to cut my posts by 3/4 (literally) once i finish typing.
    You can edit your posts to get past the 1000 character limit.
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