Nerf "Coming Into Its Own"

[VirusChris]

Not doing it efficiently? You're the one who's not getting it.

I'm working on it at my own pace and picking the steps I want to do to go about getting it. I'll eventually get it when I get all the items, but I am in no way in a rush to get the Relic. I main NIN and the stats on the Relic make it the "weakest" Weapon for NIN where the Raid and Lore Weapons are the more efficient choices. Plus people do it on their OWN pace how they feel and like it and for the most part not all of them will or can do it within 3 weeks. I am NOT going to burn myself out doing it the efficiently way, as you put it, as they will be too draining on my spirit and would make me sick of playing FFXIV anymore. Which is why i'm taking my time on it.

You got nerves to say "it is really not for you" as I clearly stated in my other posts that I want to get the Relic regardless of its stats as I like making the Weapon and doing the Questline. Though I know you not trying to be insulting I was pointing out how people go about doing the Relic differently and most will not speed through it.

Plus I think most people would agree that MOST of the Anima Relics, not all of them, are inferior to their Lore and Raid counterparts in the long run due to the stats weighted for their representative classes.

Regardless the fact of the matter is people are getting sick of the same tireless grind for a "glamour" Relic as you've said and it's the same old, same old. People don't want it easy... they want it FUN to do. I haven't played FFXI (except for a little bit) but apparently the FFXI Relic Weapons there were perfect for the most part as they lasted forever on all contents (except for the last few I hear) and thus it think it would be better if the Relic in FFXIV would reach that worthwhile status and the many "fun" things to do getting it done. They had a good blend and fun and time investment grind for powerful weapon to hold you for all expansion the right way which FFXIV can't seem to get right.

In the end the 210 step is going to be nerf whether people complain against there's no need or not. Ain't no two ways about it. We'll just see what the future holds then.

[Torunya]

I'm working on it at my own pace and picking the steps I want to do to go about getting it. I'll eventually get it when I get all the items, but I am in no way in a rush to get the Relic. I main NIN and the stats on the Relic make it the "weakest" Weapon for NIN where the Raid and Lore Weapons are the more efficient choices. Plus people do it on their OWN pace how they feel and like it and for the most part not all of them will or can do it within 3 weeks. I am NOT going to burn myself out doing it the efficiently way, as you put it, as they will be too draining on my spirit and would make me sick of playing FFXIV anymore. Which is why i'm taking my time on it.

You got nerves to say "it is really not for you" as I clearly stated in my other posts that I want to get the Relic regardless of its stats as I like making the Weapon and doing the Questline. Though I know you not trying to be insulting I was pointing out how people go about doing the Relic differently and most will not speed through it.

Honestly, VirusChris, this entire statement is quite contradicting. You make it abundantly clear that you want to tackle the Relic grind at your own pace, which is all fine and dandy. But at the same time you speak ill of the Relic, in comparison to its Lore counterpart. Which you also agree is the easier one to obtain. I'm left confused by this. Whiteroom is right you know, the Lore weapon is there for players like you who simply do not have the time to invest in the Relic. Should you choose to go after the Relic regardless of this, that is not something SE can or should consider. Take it or leave it.

Plus I think most people would agree that MOST of the Anima Relics, not all of them, are inferior to their Lore and Raid counterparts in the long run due to the stats weighted for their representative classes.

Then don't get them. Sooner or later a step similar to the infusion of materia that decides secondary stats on your Relic will most likely be added. They did this before, and it will happen again. I guarantee it.

Regardless the fact of the matter is people are getting sick of the same tireless grind for a "glamour" Relic as you've said and it's the same old, same old. People don't want it easy... they want it FUN to do. I haven't played FFXI (except for a little bit) but apparently the FFXI Relic Weapons there were perfect for the most part as they lasted forever on all contents (except for the last few I hear) and thus it think it would be better if the Relic in FFXIV would reach that worthwhile status and the many "fun" things to do getting it done. They had a good blend and fun and time investment grind for powerful weapon to hold you for all expansion the right way which FFXIV can't seem to get right.

In the end the 210 step is going to be nerf whether people complain against there's no need or not. Ain't no two ways about it.

Now I mostly do agree with the fact that the method of the grind does play a huge part, and doing the same thing over and over isn't "fun" just as you say. But who ever said the Relic had to be "fun"? I understand that players pay to play this game, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have to work for a powerful item within that game. A game without challenges is a boring game if you ask me. That's why there are alternatives for those who want an easier time. And in all honesty if you simply want the Relic to glamour it, but don't want to be bothered grinding for it, then that is your own problem. I mean no offense by saying this, it's simply how it is. You've made it clear that you want the Relic, and that you're going for it at your own pace. Great, good luck! Does anything else really need to be said at this point?

Sure, it will inevitably be nerfed when the later steps are sufficiently ahead. But personally I wish they won't.

Edit: I never played FFXI, but I have it on good authority that obtaining the Relic weapons there took considerably longer compared to FFXIV's Relic. And that it wasn't exactly "fun" either. Anyone who's played FFXI, feel free to pitch in here.

[fm_fenrir]

Edit: I never played FFXI, but I have it on good authority that obtaining the Relic weapons there took considerably longer compared to FFXIV's Relic. And that it wasn't exactly "fun" either. Anyone who's played FFXI, feel free to pitch in here.

Relic in XI was crushingly difficult for a number of years, but it was also the definitive Best Weapon in each category. Owning a relic was a monument to how much time you spent getting one, and the reward was equal parts "making other people jealous" and "having the best item in the game".

Meanwhile, the amount of time you spend getting an anima weapon is significantly longer than any of the other weapons (except Zodiac, which was also the Best Weapon at the time), and anima weapons don't have the distinction of being the Best Weapon for the time you put into it. It's not even a coveted glamour piece, so there's no value to it other than "I want this instead of my lore weapon"--but then, you can get a lore weapon significantly faster than an anima weapon, and it will likely have better stats on it.

Also, consider the second, third, fourth anima weapons you make. Why is this so pointlessly long? What is SE going to nerf this to?

[Katchoo]

Edit: I never played FFXI, but I have it on good authority that obtaining the Relic weapons there took considerably longer compared to FFXIV's Relic. And that it wasn't exactly "fun" either. Anyone who's played FFXI, feel free to pitch in here.

Imagen being forced to do Diadem constantly for 3 hours at a time for a year. So no not fun ...

[fm_fenrir]

Imagen being forced to do Diadem constantly for 3 hours at a time for a year. So no not fun ...

You think diadem isn't going to be the focus of the next step of anima? Abandoned content nobody cares about now that you can get way better gear from literally every other aspect of the gear treadmill?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

You think diadem isn't going to be the focus of the next step of anima? Abandoned content nobody cares about now that you can get way better gear from literally every other aspect of the gear treadmill?

Well it could have been the step for the 230 relic yet it wasn't. Besides, some materials you can gather from the Diadem are used for the 210 relic, aren't they?

[Torunya]

Besides, some materials you can gather from the Diadem are used for the 210 relic, aren't they?

Yes, this I can confirm.

[Katchoo]

You think diadem isn't going to be the focus of the next step of anima? Abandoned content nobody cares about now that you can get way better gear from literally every other aspect of the gear treadmill?

Your comment has literally nothing to do with what i was referring to. Your not wrong tho.

[fm_fenrir]

Your comment has literally nothing to do with what i was referring to. Your not wrong tho.

It does, though. Diadem is functionally identical to Abyssea, which you had to grind for AGES to finish Magian trials. My body isn't prepared for the millstone of an XIV re-imagining of the Magian trials...

[Katchoo]

It does, though. Diadem is functionally identical to Abyssea, which you had to grind for AGES to finish Magian trials. My body isn't prepared for the millstone of an XIV re-imagining of the Magian trials...

Sorry it's just you phrased it like a question, like i had made some sort of comment to the contrary, which kind of threw me. I honestly could not give three flying f**** what they do with relic, i'm not touching it with a barge pole.