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  1. #271
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    The complaint is about grinding tomes - not necessarily grinding expert roulette. Capping tomestones is easy, it's not fun though
    I find it fun. I run it with friends everyday. I don't find it a big deal to use the only two dungeon tune but then again that's me. I'm not opposed to other venues for gear and seriously SE just released a full compliment of crafted 220 gear I see people running around with fully melded like crafters. The more options the better in my view. With the crafted gear one doesn't need to grind tomes are all although making the gil for it might be another issue cause lots don't like to craft or gather.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 04-07-2016 at 01:25 AM.

  2. #272
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    I find it fun. I run it with friends everyday. I don't find it a big deal to use the only two dungeon tune but then again that's me. I'm not opposed to other venues for gear and seriously SE just released a full compliment of crafted 220 gear I see people running around with fully melded like crafters. The more options the better in my view. With the crafted gear one doesn't need to grind tomes are all although making the gil for it might be another issue cause lots don't like to craft or gather.
    You find capping tomestones fun, or you find running content with friends fun? I think the latter, but I could be wrong.

    Personally, I don't find it fun, because the feeling of getting an item when you are just saving up tomestones to buy it is less rewarding than it is to get an item from a drop after working to get it. I'm very much a fan of items dropping directly off creatures/monsters and not in chests and not purchased with tomes.

    Further, I find the process of capping tomes to feel like a chore. I cannot obtain them as I want them, but have to get it within a certain window.

    Despite all this, the conversation here is pretty much useless. The dev team is not going to change their design around tomestones. Some people hate it, some people don't. I've grown to learn that the dev team has a very clear picture of what they want this game to be, and don't really care for constructive feedback from the community - despite appearances that suggest otherwise.
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  3. #273
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    Well that is what makes the world go around doesn't it. Some believe it or not find beating their head against a duty for weeks in raids is also boring and a chore. You know until one has totally memorized every move to be able to clear it. I just think this complaint is so over done on this forum but then lets agree to disagree.

    Crafted melded gear is a big step away from tome grinding and as I said I'm not opposed to other venues as well.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 04-07-2016 at 01:41 AM.

  4. #274
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    Between the expert roulette, Frontlines roulette, Midas NM and beastman dailies, I rarely even think about the fact that I'm grinding tomes each week.
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    Nel Synestra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    Capping tomestones is easy, it's not fun though
    I have been capping tomes via PvP for ages and i find it pretty fun, i simply dont do stuff that i dont personally find fun so i suggest everyone else does the same. If you dont like to run dungeons over and over again then dont do it, do something else instead because pretty much everything shoves tomes in your face nowdays.
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  6. #276
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synestra View Post
    I have been capping tomes via PvP for ages and i find it pretty fun, i simply dont do stuff that i dont personally find fun so i suggest everyone else does the same. If you dont like to run dungeons over and over again then dont do it, do something else instead because pretty much everything shoves tomes in your face nowdays.
    Again, it's not capping tomestones you find fun, it's PvP that you find fun
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  7. #277
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    I mean I haven't capped my Lore in about two weeks now... because I have other stuff I'd rather do.
    (like someone put it "playing my anime dating sim chess game")

    No one is really forcing you to; I remember when Eso was the thing, I went maybe two months without even getting a single one

    I do cap my gathering red scrips every week though. I haven't missed a single week and I'm not doing missing it now. (I don't hate it though, I do actually find that fun.)
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  8. #278
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    Again, it's not capping tomestones you find fun, it's PvP that you find fun
    And that still only solves half of the problem anyway. Once you do get the tomestone, what they do and how you spend it is equally boring.
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    I am tired of grinding tomes for gear every week, knwing that this gets easier one or two patches later.
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  10. #280
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    You find capping tomestones fun, or you find running content with friends fun? I think the latter, but I could be wrong.

    Personally, I don't find it fun, because the feeling of getting an item when you are just saving up tomestones to buy it is less rewarding than it is to get an item from a drop after working to get it. I'm very much a fan of items dropping directly off creatures/monsters and not in chests and not purchased with tomes.

    Further, I find the process of capping tomes to feel like a chore. I cannot obtain them as I want them, but have to get it within a certain window.

    Despite all this, the conversation here is pretty much useless. The dev team is not going to change their design around tomestones. Some people hate it, some people don't. I've grown to learn that the dev team has a very clear picture of what they want this game to be, and don't really care for constructive feedback from the community - despite appearances that suggest otherwise.
    I find capping fun. I hate not knowing how long it will take to get gear and which pieces I get first. Void Ark and Diadem gearing = annoying, Alex and tomestone gearing = nice. I also got my hunt Wyvern and Diadem Pegasus before starting the grind for ponies, because with ponies I don't know how close I am to getting them and if the party disbands I have to start from the beginning. The worst part about the new relic has been the fate crystals (I spent days trying to get the ones in Forelands and now I hate the damn place). I have not once missed the effects of RNG in gearing ever since I quit WoW.

    You pretty much nailed it in the bolded part. It might be an issue of the devs not caring, but it could also just be a case of them knowing what most players prefer. My impression is that most people who currently play the game like getting tomes, because why would they have subbed in the first place if they didn't like it? It's not like tomes are a new thing. Maybe some people have gotten bored of it but that doesn't mean everyone has.

    I think there should be other ways to get gear (a huge amount of uncapped tokens, crafting or the ever cruel RNG) but I would likes tomestones to remain as one of the options, because they allow me to plan my gear path and encourage me to focus on other things than just end game gear once I'm capped for the week.
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    Last edited by Reinha; 04-07-2016 at 02:48 AM.
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