Ideas to get rid of leeches in farming parties

[WinterLuna]

I think I saw her post once but its so long and pretty intense. Though I did not see any solutions in. D:

My solution was a simple option in party finder to allow players who have completed the fight only.

[subteraneanbird]

i dont see a particular need to make it a system option compared to the current self-policing. self-policing also has the advantage of allowing you to individually vet people (ie "this is my alt" situations) while a system setting would force you to work around it in awkward ways or even defeat the system itself. much less elegant.

[Rebellius555]

Putting "2 fails = thai kick to the face" in PF description works wonders for me. Gotta be honest, if you want to achieve something in this game you have to turn your "being nice" mode off from time to time.

[ScarletDawn]

It is a difference when people help with practising and sneaking into a farm party.

The first group did agree to practise.

The second group don't want to practise.

The point of this thread is the second group

My Point is we all have been carried, (also the tags in the thread label Practice extreme to...so the OP also includes a practice run as being leeched) through content by players who have done it before...so is calling a bonus player a leech? Just people who want to be carried.

Needs to be clear since im one of the bonus people who need sephi, but i do not join a farm group so am i still a leech?

[Eidolon]

My Point is we all have been carried, (also the tags in the thread label Practice extreme to...so the OP also includes a practice run as being leeched) through content by players who have done it before...so is calling a bonus player a leech? Just people who want to be carried.

Needs to be clear since im one of the bonus people who need sephi, but i do not join a farm group so am i still a leech?

You know, I think I've finally figured out my problem with your posts.



I think that you keep using the word 'leech' when you mean 'helped.' I think that if you took out the word 'leech' from your post, you might actually be able to create a valid point.

Yes, there are people who have been helped by people with the clear before, and it was very beneficial to them to recieve that help. Those people aren't leechers, because they earned their clear - just as much as someone who got the clear without any help.

What a carry/leecher is, is someone who does not put in effort into getting the clear. Those same people who are dead for over half or the entire fight, those people who do not optimize their DPS while maintaining mechanics, those people who join a farm party for a quick clear and still fail the mechanics and die multiple time, people who just pay for the win,... Those are leeches.

There is a middle ground between recieving help and leeching. Often, people who join Party Finders for Farm parties with bonus are leechers. Those that lack the confidence to inform the leader of their new bonus, are trying to get a win not by their own merits but by deception. But, the caveat to this, is without telling the leader. If you have the integrity to inform the leader, I think that distinguishes you from the leech catagory as someone recieving help. Because it shows you are putting yourself out there. You are asking for help. But you're showing you're willing to earn it.

What someone who recieved help is? Having a veteran in the party. Having someone with more experience than you in the party. Heck, for all intents and purposes, we all recieve help when we go to PF at the same time that we help eachother.

[ScarletDawn]

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Glad we got a clear cut definiton and not a simple you have not got your kill therefore your a leecher, without that person even saying a word and being instantly put down as this type of player, I think maybe i just have a very hostile server when it comes to players who are either in the process of getting a clear or new to the fight...people seem very unwilling in the PF to teach.

But im only using the OP's word because they do not make any clear cut definition but instead label a group of people who just have a bonus.

I happen to be a player who has a bonus, but will not join a farm group.

[raela]

My Point is we all have been carried, (also the tags in the thread label Practice extreme to...so the OP also includes a practice run as being leeched) through content by players who have done it before...so is calling a bonus player a leech? Just people who want to be carried.

Needs to be clear since im one of the bonus people who need sephi, but i do not join a farm group so am i still a leech?

I think you're being overly sensitive to the topic at hand. People other than the OP can add tags, and even if he did put it there, it could be to say "people who need practice should join practice groups" - ignore the tags and focus on the message.

[randysquirrel]

When I set up a farm PF, will often get people PM me and ask to join even though they haven't cleared. This is fine, I will usually ask the people that have already joined if they mind. If they do, for any reason, I will politely tell the enquirer (this rarely happens tho, usually everyone is prepared to give someone a shot). If someone else PMs me the same I will tell them that unfortunately we already have someone in the party in the same situation, and taking two uncleared people may greatly reduce our chances of being successful. They usually are fine with this.

I think the issue we all have is people who say nothing, join, and somehow think the rest of us will not notice. I don't mind giving a chance to people who have the courtesy to ASK before joining.

Then again on my server there are a lot of PFs that state "clear/farm". I don't really get this. if it's a clear, then it's not a farm, even if it goes down, doesn't automatically mean you are now farm status. I think "farm" used to have a very specific meaning, being you have cleared something multiple times, know all mechanics inside out, and can do them instinctively and effortlessly. Now it seems you clear something once, even if you're dead the whole time and get carried, then suddenly you're a farmer

[ScarletDawn]

Then again on my server there are a lot of PFs that state "clear/farm". I don't really get this. if it's a clear, then it's not a farm, even if it goes down, doesn't automatically mean you are now farm status. I think "farm" used to have a very specific meaning, being you have cleared something multiple times, know all mechanics inside out, and can do them instinctively and effortlessly. Now it seems you clear something once, even if you're dead the whole time and get carried, then suddenly you're a farmer

This is my problem with the PF, people instantly think 1 kill is enough to secure the ability to farm when its clearly not. But hey i ask if ppl have cleared they say yes, Its hard to tell if they lie due to my bonus so we go on and they wipe on P1..clearly not cleared or just killed it once.

Also the OP instantly assumes they don't put in practice, how would they know? Did they say oh its my first time ever then yes its fine...they are wanting to be carried but you cant judge the player till they do the fight.

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

Also the OP instantly assumes they don't put in practice, how would they know? Did they say oh its my first time ever then yes its fine...they are wanting to be carried but you cant judge the player till they do the fight.

Unfortunately there are a number of players that think that they're better than they actually are and try to get clears out of farm parties through desperation. This is what is meant when the OP refers to leechers or carries - a person who cannot pull their own weight and expect the rest of the party to make up the difference. With the lore weapons becoming available to all this week and the new step in the anima relic, people are becoming more desperate, since there's even less of a reason for people to complete the fight.

Many of us who have set up farm parties to get the weapon have had to deal with people either being dishonest - leechers - or unaware of their skill level - carries - and it gets annoying to the point that we don't want to deal with people that haven't cleared it for expediency's sake. It takes a long time to do the fight and when you have to balance somebody who has experience of the fight against somebody who may hold back 7 other people for an entire hour, you have to make a choice of what's more important.

It's nothing personal.