Quote Originally Posted by ScarletDawn View Post
My Point is we all have been carried, (also the tags in the thread label Practice extreme to...so the OP also includes a practice run as being leeched) through content by players who have done it before...so is calling a bonus player a leech? Just people who want to be carried.

Needs to be clear since im one of the bonus people who need sephi, but i do not join a farm group so am i still a leech?
You know, I think I've finally figured out my problem with your posts.



I think that you keep using the word 'leech' when you mean 'helped.' I think that if you took out the word 'leech' from your post, you might actually be able to create a valid point.

Yes, there are people who have been helped by people with the clear before, and it was very beneficial to them to recieve that help. Those people aren't leechers, because they earned their clear - just as much as someone who got the clear without any help.

What a carry/leecher is, is someone who does not put in effort into getting the clear. Those same people who are dead for over half or the entire fight, those people who do not optimize their DPS while maintaining mechanics, those people who join a farm party for a quick clear and still fail the mechanics and die multiple time, people who just pay for the win,... Those are leeches.

There is a middle ground between recieving help and leeching. Often, people who join Party Finders for Farm parties with bonus are leechers. Those that lack the confidence to inform the leader of their new bonus, are trying to get a win not by their own merits but by deception. But, the caveat to this, is without telling the leader. If you have the integrity to inform the leader, I think that distinguishes you from the leech catagory as someone recieving help. Because it shows you are putting yourself out there. You are asking for help. But you're showing you're willing to earn it.

What someone who recieved help is? Having a veteran in the party. Having someone with more experience than you in the party. Heck, for all intents and purposes, we all recieve help when we go to PF at the same time that we help eachother.