The grind

[Mael-bess]

Well the job does start at level 30 without requiring you to level any other class to access it. Taking that into account, what would you guys propose, when should one be able to get access to the said job? I do, however, agree it may become problematic if they make it so that with every expansion you need to clear the whole MSQ-lines to access the job. That would make it like 500 MSQs away.

But you do NEED to level 1 class to at least level 50 to access it, as you can't enter HW any other way. The way it was made you could need to level 1 class to 30, so you unlock Jobs and have access to the new classes (which in fact are just new jobs, not really classes), having it from the start wouldn't make much sense since it starts at level 30. WoW did a similar thing with Death Knight but they later changed the "new class mold" with monk (and also lifted the level requirements for DK), which i think is better way of presenting new classes.

[Synrin]

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I know, that is exactly my point. If you made it accessible right away, without entering Heavensward, how would you make it fair, compared to the other jobs' requirements? SE is obviously not going the class + class = job way anymore, rather from now on there will only be jobs.

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I am not concerned about the grind really, I have done my MSQ and do it as soon as it is out as I love the story. But it might be off-putting for the everyday MMO gamer who just started, cause you know, who needs a story really, give me endgame already, endgame sucks, I'm outta here.

[Synrin]

Also the sooner you realise this, the better:

Baby roll as in sarcasm, meaning someone is whining about how they have to do the same stuff everyone else did instead of immediate gratification. At least it's all available for them to do all at once instead of being spread out over a year or so.