Who actually got conj , so that hey could be a dmg mage ?

[Korbei]

A bit off topic, but if you pay attention to the job quests associated with both CON and THM, Thaumaturge is definitely the darker of the two classes. They're occultists. Conjurers are more nature-loving treehuggers. These aspects of the classes have been in place since day one and as a result it seems clear to me that the intention was always to have THM as the BLM style mage and CON as the WHM style mage.

The unfortunate part is that the classes seem to have been mislabeled in localization, leading to confusion. Also both classes were given a mixed repertoire to prevent nukers from being excluded due to lack of healing capability, leading to further confusion.

Make no mistake, if a line is drawn in the sand between Healer and Nuker, Conjurer will be the former.

[Klive]

A bit off topic, but if you pay attention to the job quests associated with both CON and THM, Thaumaturge is definitely the darker of the two classes. They're occultists. Conjurers are more nature-loving treehuggers. These aspects of the classes have been in place since day one and as a result it seems clear to me that the intention was always to have THM as the BLM style mage and CON as the WHM style mage.

The unfortunate part is that the classes seem to have been mislabeled in localization, leading to confusion. Also both classes were given a mixed repertoire to prevent nukers from being excluded due to lack of healing capability, leading to further confusion.

Make no mistake, if a line is drawn in the sand between Healer and Nuker, Conjurer will be the former.

I agree, but there is more to the lore. I posted this info on the THM thread, but I'll re-post here to annoy Coglin (his rants entertain me) and address the occult THM point.


THM worship the twin gods of Nald'Thal.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Nald%27thal

Nald'thal is the overseer of transactions and the underworld, and god of commerce. He commands the element of Fire and is associated with the tenth moon of the Eorzean calendar. Nald'thal is the single manifestation of the deific twins Nald and Thal. He is most often depicted as a discerning merchant holding a balance.

Nald'thal the Traders is one of the Twelve. He is the patron deity of Ul'dah where two great halls, devoted to his two aspects, can be found in the eastern and western sections of the city.
Nald rules over the world of the living, and Thal keeps the realm of the dead.

The Thaumaturge, BASE CLASS, are the priests of DEATH and occultists. They are based in the Arrzaneth Ossuary, their temple of death and worship of Thal, in Ul'dal.

The Milvaneth Sacrarium is on the other side of Ul'dah. This is the temple of life and the worship of Nald. (Where I think White Mages will be from)

The THM lore is death and spilling of blood, but that is only half of it. There is a whole other half of the faith devoted to LIFE. This whole other half of the faith would easily fill why White Mages are THM and also why THM class is the polar opposite to white mage.

I'm not making any of this up. Go visit the Milvaneth Sacrarium in Ul'dah. It is setup like the THM guild hall.

On a side note: I think opening THM to a healing job would be a fantastic move on SE's part. More classes/job that can heal the better. Heck, the archer is getting bard, is white mage job for THM really that much a stretch?

[Danatoth]

Has anyone thought of this? Since SE did say each job will only get 1 class couldn't that mean that they only get to choose 1 class? There are 2 ways I see it:

1.) Once you reach say Rank 30 you can do a quest on your class. Say you are a Gladiator. You finish the quest and you unlock Paladin but you must finish the quest on your Gladiator. Now to stick with those classes that would mean that when you unlocked the quest as a Conj or a Thaum you choose between white or black mage. Then if you do the quest again with the other class it unlocks the one that you didn't choose.

2.) It works out exactly like FFXI where you reach a certain level and then do a quest for the specific job unlocking it. Meaning that the Jobs don't actually "Turn into" the classes.

[Viridiana]

Has anyone thought of this? Since SE did say each job will only get 1 class couldn't that mean that they only get to choose 1 class? There are 2 ways I see it:

1.) Once you reach say Rank 30 you can do a quest on your class. Say you are a Gladiator. You finish the quest and you unlock Paladin but you must finish the quest on your Gladiator. Now to stick with those classes that would mean that when you unlocked the quest as a Conj or a Thaum you choose between white or black mage. Then if you do the quest again with the other class it unlocks the one that you didn't choose.

2.) It works out exactly like FFXI where you reach a certain level and then do a quest for the specific job unlocking it. Meaning that the Jobs don't actually "Turn into" the classes.

Hmm. . . I kinda like this idea. It's like how BSM and ARM have the same quests, only this is a different spin on it.

[Kinseykinz]

SO i was thinking...maybe CNJ got Curaga 1 and 2 and the raises right now to balance out some stuff down the road.

Here's what I mean.
So. If I'm set up as CNJ(without Job equipped), I'll be able to help my party by 'main healing' and backup nuking/debuffing. As a CNJ (no Job equipped) I will have access to Curaga/Curaga II and Raise II/Rebirth.

BUT: Let's just assume the mage with the Elemental Nukes gets to unlock BLM Job (because for the Love of the God's, that's what a black mage has been in every other FF game)

If I Equip BLM Job (CNJ/BLM) Now I am main Nuker/DD mage but I no longer can use Curaga/Curaga 2 or RaiseII/Rebirth...at least not at rank 50. (I see as the level cap is upped, this could change with our level).
This could explain the high mp cost of cures/raises as well....just a thought

THM really should be the White Mage...the chapel's in Uldah (the 'pure' one...not just the 'dark' one)... it makes sense, more sense anyway than making the mage with FLARE the healer. Oh, and the new Company gears for each town....Uldah's seems slightly more 'healer' friendly.

[Klive]

SO i was thinking...maybe CNJ got Curaga 1 and 2 and the raises right now to balance out some stuff down the road.

Here's what I mean.
So. If I'm set up as CNJ(without Job equipped), I'll be able to help my party by 'main healing' and backup nuking/debuffing. As a CNJ (no Job equipped) I will have access to Curaga/Curaga II and Raise II/Rebirth.

BUT: Let's just assume the mage with the Elemental Nukes gets to unlock BLM Job (because for the Love of the God's, that's what a black mage has been in every other FF game)

If I Equip BLM Job (CNJ/BLM) Now I am main Nuker/DD mage but I no longer can use Curaga/Curaga 2 or RaiseII/Rebirth...at least not at rank 50. (I see as the level cap is upped, this could change with our level).
This could explain the high mp cost of cures/raises as well....just a thought

THM really should be the White Mage...the chapel's in Uldah (the 'pure' one...not just the 'dark' one)... it makes sense, more sense anyway than making the mage with FLARE the healer. Oh, and the new Company gears for each town....Uldah's seems slightly more 'healer' friendly.

I was questioning if we lose the class specific skills/spells when we equip a job. I am guessing that we do, since those are intended to be "class defining" skills/spells and when you have a job equipped you are no longer that class. If CNJ losses its AoE heals and Rebirth with a job, since it isn't a "conjurer" anymore, Black Mage would clearly be it's job.

[sylvestew]

Here is an Idea how about we stop splitting Whm and Blm up. The most logical thing would have conj get them both, b/c it obviously has both of their abilities. Is that so hard to believe. Now Thm will probably get some other type of mage like rdm cause they have the debuffs and what about SCH everyone talks about light and dark arts sounds like a sch to me. There are many things SE could do, but to me Con will get both blm and whm. While thm gets some other mage style class. Well there is my insight good day lol.

[Kinseykinz]

Here is an Idea how about we stop splitting Whm and Blm up. The most logical thing would have conj get them both, b/c it obviously has both of their abilities. Is that so hard to believe. Now Thm will probably get some other type of mage like rdm cause they have the debuffs and what about SCH everyone talks about light and dark arts sounds like a sch to me. There are many things SE could do, but to me Con will get both blm and whm. While thm gets some other mage style class. Well there is my insight good day lol.

We all also thought CNJ= WHM/BLM for jobs...however SE said 'Each class will initially unlock one job' and then they went on to list WHM and BLM as the only mage jobs to be in the first job release....so unless SE changed their minds since then....THM=one CNJ=one....so hence the 'who's getting which debate.'

[ereskigal]

We all also thought CNJ= WHM/BLM for jobs...however SE said 'Each class will initially unlock one job' and then they went on to list WHM and BLM as the only mage jobs to be in the first job release....so unless SE changed their minds since then....THM=one CNJ=one....so hence the 'who's getting which debate.'

Nor SE or Dev has ever come out and said blm and whm will be in the first set of jobs release, that was player base sepculation base on what was in the Translations (JP to English) thread. Dev's did come out and say it will be one job per one class at first set of release.

i'll leave you with this why is nukes still on cnj? why make changes to AM spell and leave them on cnj?

[Alaltus]

We all also thought CNJ= WHM/BLM for jobs...however SE said 'Each class will initially unlock one job' and then they went on to list WHM and BLM as the only mage jobs to be in the first job release....so unless SE changed their minds since then....THM=one CNJ=one....so hence the 'who's getting which debate.'

Where does it say whm and blm are both coming in the first batch of jobs? The translation people have been going off for sometime now has said no such thing only that whm, blm, drg etc are planned and decided. The discussion for the most part has been purely fueled by the 1 class 1 job statement and both thaumaturge/conjurer players who are posting not wanting their class they leveled to be made into the healer.