Anima Weapons. Putting things into perspective.

[Berethos]

Absolutely not.
One of the mayor design flaws of this game, and MMORPGs in general, is the notion that somehow investing time into something makes it hard or challenge, which honestly, in most cases just challenges one thing, playerbase patience.

Strictly speaking, how hard or challenging something is merely an indicator of the nature of the obstacle placed between a player and their goal. Skill-based obstacles are one form (where the individual element is the most difficult part), time-based obstacles are another form (where the individual elements are often easy, but completing them all is not).

To draw on an example from my earlly WoW days - the Winterspring Frostsaber mount. You originally needed both Exalted Darnassus reputation to learn how to ride saber mounts, plus Exalted reputation with the Winterspring Frostsaber faction to purchase the mount (which alone took around 800+ quest turn ins). Neither of those had individual steps that were considered hard to do, but taken as a complete whole it was considered to be one of the more difficult mounts to obtain due to the time commitment.

That only skill-based obstacles are worthy of being called hard or a challenge is a player invention.

Therefore the extra effort it requires in total is justified, especially for those who are progressing through savage.

There's still the issue that the extra effort it requires was explicitly designed that way due to a situation that no longer applies, so I can't agree that the current extra effort is still justified.

[Ultimatecalibur]

There's still the issue that the extra effort it requires was explicitly designed that way due to a situation that no longer applies, so I can't agree that the current extra effort is still justified.

Depends on where you are measuring from and to where. Its easy to complain about the Anima i210 step taking to long when compared to getting an i210 Esoterics weapon, but right now the entire Anima quest need to be compared to the 7 week Midan Gear timelock on getting an i230 Lore weapon.

[Berethos]

Depends on where you are measuring from and to where. Its easy to complain about the Anima i210 step taking to long when compared to getting an i210 Esoterics weapon, but right now the entire Anima quest need to be compared to the 7 week Midan Gear timelock on getting an i230 Lore weapon.

I'd honestly be surprised if anyone felt like the 7 week time-lock on getting the 230 lore weapon was comparable to the entire Anima process. Very, very surprised.

[Whiteroom]

I'd honestly be surprised if anyone felt like the 7 week time-lock on getting the 230 lore weapon was comparable to the entire Anima process. Very, very surprised.

Time wise, you can pretty easily have the 210 well within that. And given that you have had what, about 14 weeks to complete it....

I realize the effort is greater for the relic, but really, you wer given far more than enough time to pick it up casually. I really don't think the Relic quest is for you, if you don't like it, you don't do it. However you must want the bebefits that come with it, just not the cost of those benefits... that's really al there is to it.

[Berethos]

Time wise, you can pretty easily have the 210 well within that. And given that you have had what, about 14 weeks to complete it....

I realize the effort is greater for the relic, but really, you wer given far more than enough time to pick it up casually. I really don't think the Relic quest is for you, if you don't like it, you don't do it. However you must want the bebefits that come with it, just not the cost of those benefits... that's really al there is to it.

I would have thought you'd have picked up on it by now, but I'm guessing paying attention to what I'm actually saying isn't in your list of things to do.

I do like the relic quest...hell, I absolutely agreed with the given difficulty of the whole thing when it was first introduced, based on the reasoning behind it.
However, I also take umbrage with the idea that, now that the original situation that led to that difficulty has changed, that it is still somehow still appropriately designed based on the current situation. It can't be both the appropriate design when the highest ilevel was 210, and the appropriate difficulty now that higher is available that is easier to get than the 210 was.

I'd recommend actually understanding my stance on the whole thing before you throw around the whole "don't like it don't do it" tripe.

You can have the Anima faster than 7 weeks

True, but how quickly one can be obtained wasn't really my point, which was that the combination of the time and effort needed for a Lore 230 is different than the time and effort for even just the relic 210, much less the relic 230, and that I'd be surprised if anyone truly considered running 1 boss once a week for seven weeks, and buying a total of 1k lore worth of items during that time, to be of comparable effort to the entire process of getting a 230 anima.

[Whiteroom]

I would have thought you'd have picked up on it by now, but I'm guessing paying attention to what I'm actually saying isn't in your list of things to do.

I do like the relic quest...hell, I absolutely agreed with the given difficulty of the whole thing when it was first introduced, based on the reasoning behind it.
However, I also take umbrage with the idea that, now that the original situation that led to that difficulty has changed, that it is still somehow still appropriately designed based on the current situation. It can't be both the appropriate design when the highest ilevel was 210, and the appropriate difficulty now that higher is available that is easier to get than the 210 was.

I'd recommend actually understanding my stance on the whole thing before you throw around the whole "don't like it don't do it" tripe.



True, but how quickly one can be obtained wasn't really my point, which was that the combination of the time and effort needed for a Lore 230 is different than the time and effort for even just the relic 210, much less the relic 230, and that I'd be surprised if anyone truly considered running 1 boss once a week for seven weeks, and buying a total of 1k lore worth of items during that time, to be of comparable effort to the entire process of getting a 230 anima.

I understand what you are saying, but no, it does not need to be eased now. It needs and will be eased when the next step comes out. You are asking for it to be eased for a quick ride through to a 230 weapon, since the 210-230 step is incredibly easy. The previous step is the only barrier to this. I'm sure you know that on some level, but are willfully ignoring it.

The relic is not a one time weapon like a tome weapon, It is an alternative with benefits, those benefits require putting in the effort to get it. Currently the benefit of the 230 is well worth doing the 210 step to get. If you really enjoyed the relic quest, you could have easily completed it multiple times over by now, and would understand that the 210 step is nowhere near as daunting as it looks. It's actually easy to get passively, so it currently needs no nerf.

That you have not gotten past the Awoken stage since December shows how little you actually enjoy it, you could have bought all of your UI's just by playing the game casually by now. The longer you take to do it, the less concerted effort you need, and with the time elapsed, almost none is needed. You have not completed that, and want the easy path. That will come in 3.3. But the 3.3 step itself will likely be another one you have to try to complete, so I imagine you will feel the same in 3.35 when the 3.3 step is not nerfed.

You keep refering to the what they used to set the original difficulty of the quest as some argument to when it should be nerfed. (people always do this here, they make a ton of assumptions based on what they can twist whats been said to mean, then get angry when they are wrong)All they said was that was the parameters used to determine starting difficulty, not the criteria for changing it. That they seem to have fallen into a difficult step-easy step-difficult step-easy step is enough to assume that they will always keep one barrier in the way, so that they aren't making it too meaningless to get one.

But you haven't even bothered to upgrade anything other than two of your acc from 200-210, when you get one free per week. That just shows how much you are willing to put into upkeeping your ilvl. If you can't be bothered to run VA once a week, or hunts, or even your weekly Centrino B rank, thn you cant be expected to understand the relic grind, or barriers keeping people from getting gear too easily.

If that is the effort you want to put in, the tome weapon is your price point.

[Felis]

True, but how quickly one can be obtained wasn't really my point, which was that the combination of the time and effort needed for a Lore 230 is different than the time and effort for even just the relic 210, much less the relic 230

You can work on the ilevel 230 relic parallel while working on the ilevel 210 relic.

[Felis]

I'd honestly be surprised if anyone felt like the 7 week time-lock on getting the 230 lore weapon was comparable to the entire Anima process. Very, very surprised.

You can have the Anima faster than 7 weeks

[Warlyx]

You can have the Anima faster than 7 weeks

yep but the time wasted doing anima is time not doing FUN THINGS INGAME with the time u can play.... my playtime is limited ,i play 2h- 4 days / week raiding , and some hour here and there , that i use to do DR expert , farming mats , MB , leveling jobs , with the ESO im buying the UNI items , but is slow as hell....i farmed tribes but omg cant stand it anymore .... and i remember in 2.0 farming the relic made me almost quit the game , i decided to stop doing relic for a while because it was draining all the fun i was having back then...

anima is lots of time...doing things u dont even want to do....add gil to the mix...and no way im doing that.... Lore weapon? 1000 lore and 15 min doing A8 normal for 8 weeks..... not even comparable....

i guess lots of ppl forced themselves to do the relic/anima and lots for sure quited the game because of it , but i guess the anima keep subs going on too...