Will we ever be able to 'legally' sell plots?

[Canadane]

Im fine with not being able to sell houses.

What im not fine with is how they went about changing the rule on it.

It was more of adding a rule, rather than changing.
Which is their right to do. Just be happy others took the hit to let us know and not us. :\

That being said, this "rule" isn't very well known, I still see PF's for plot selling all the time.

[Andrea]

It was more of adding a rule, rather than changing.
Which is their right to do. Just be happy others took the hit to let us know and not us. :\

That being said, this "rule" isn't very well known, I still see PF's for plot selling all the time.

Is that something to actually be happy about? other people got warnings due to rules they didnt even know were changed/added? In a P2P game too?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Is that something to actually be happy about? other people got warnings due to rules they didnt even know were changed/added? In a P2P game too?

I mean, the government adds laws all the time and doesn't necessarily send you a letter to warn you about it. You don't get an email every time you cross state lines telling you which laws are new/different from the last state you were in.

Sure they could have notified everyone, but since you were never really able to sell the house itself before, there wasn't really anything that changed.

[Andrea]

I mean, the government adds laws all the time and doesn't necessarily send you a letter to warn you about it. You don't get an email every time you cross state lines telling you which laws are new/different from the last state you were in.

Sure they could have notified everyone, but since you were never really able to sell the house itself before, there wasn't really anything that changed.

I must miss the times my government changes laws that could say end up with me in jail that doesn't somehow make its way to the public before being in place.

Is a window on login really too much to ask for a game some people have put a lot of money into?

[Felis]

Is a window on login really too much to ask for a game some people have put a lot of money into?

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[Laraul]

One thing I disagree, housing *is* a gil sink and I believe it was always supposed to be. The refund on auto demolished housing was some kind of compromise they came up with, but initially there were supposed to be gil sinks in the game. If there weren't, where do you all think the gil goes? It just keeps accumulating constantly.

Housing cost so much for one reason, availability. And since people haven't been able to purchase plots and housing for months and months now, there has been no gil sink from housing all that time. Gil is removed from the game when a player quits. Also teleportats, failed synths, discarded items, relic and anima quests, melds, etc. I suspect most people w/ enormous amounts of gil just don't spend it. In the real world, 20% of the populations holds 80% of the wealth. It's probably the same within the game too.

I don't understand why you can't sell plots. How is this bad? How would it be abused? And why do people think a massive gil sync would be good?

[Kosmos992k]

It is worth noting that circumventing the limitation in any way is a bannable offense. Like many games, the GM's don't take kindly to being undermined. I would tread lightly on these convoluted schemes and interpretations of the rules. I'm not saying this to be redundant, just that a couple players already tried that here on the forums, and then posted about their bans elsewhere.

Indeed.

Anytime you circumvent the rules of an existing system, whether or not what you do is covered by a specific rule, you already broke a more general rule, or principle, about not circumventing the systems of the game. It doesn't matter if it's incredibly blatant and plain as day, or subtle and in the shadows. Circumventing game systems created within FFXIV by SE is, and always will be a ban-able offense.

I don't understand why you can't sell plots. How is this bad? How would it be abused? And why do people think a massive gil sync would be good?

A massive gil sync is good because it helps control money supply. That's one of the reasons why you can't sell plots to other players, when a plot is relinquished it goes back into the housing system to be relisted at full price - a gil sync...

You honestly can't see how selling plots from player to player would be abused? RMT have a pretty good supply of free gil, they can buy up plots of land and resell them at large gil profit to increase their own stock of gil via legitimate transactions. Of course the large amounts of gil they sell property for have to come from somewhere, they may in effect be selling gil to the buyers of the plots of land they already hold, actually circulating the gil back to the RMT. After all a player can't be expected to know if a seemingly legitimate player selling a plot is actually an RMT front, can they?

I can also envisage "I Buy Homes" ads in-game from Gil Sellers promising the sale of huge amounts of gil via a housing transaction. Given that the housing transaction is legitimate, it would be hard to pin down RMT transactions vs normal transactions because they are masked by the legitimate property sale. I mean, 100 million gil for a large plot is pretty legit, but 100 million for a basic item? Not so much.

Also with sufficient gil, and the current lack of restriction in terms of house/plot ownership, RMT would potentially be able to 'corner' the market, just as hyper rich players would be able to.

[Neophyte]

1. Only one plot per person/fc.
2. 80% money back when relinquished (possible whenever ppl want or auto-relinquish), every item moved to a temporary 'chest' to get it back
3. If plot gets relinquished it opens up again in 12-24h (random)

So people can't sell houses and can't hold many of them.

[Kosmos992k]

1. Only one plot per person/fc.

This should be one plot per account with all characters on an account sharing the plot/house - this applies to personal plots only, Free Company houses should not be included in this.

2. 80% money back when relinquished (possible whenever ppl want or auto-relinquish),

I disagree, when the system was first announced, plots would go back into circulation after 35 days with no refund, and there was always no refund for relinquishing land by design. At most this should be a 60% refund of the minimum price for that plot. Purchasing a plot should not be taken lightly, nor should people think that they can purchase something so limited and then hold it in perpetuity. I'd actually like to see the auto-relinquish changed to 45 days of continuous time unsubbed from the game, not simply 45 days of inactivity. If a player is still paying for their game time, their home should not be under threat.

every item moved to a temporary 'chest' to get it back

This I disagree with as well, this is part of the design to make Housing a gil sync, and also encourage purchasers not to take it lightly. Sure it can bite when you move or have to take something up, but you can always go back and re-do the content required to get the item needed to craft whatever it was.

3. If plot gets relinquished it opens up again in 12-24h (random)

I agree with this because it prevents the PF based property transfers because people do not know when a plot will become available, I'd suggest a longer cooling off period and range to prevent camping the plot. Say a random time 72-144 hours (3-6 days) from the moment it was relinquished. This should be true whether property is relinquished voluntarily or automatically.

It'd be nice if there was a way of listing all properties currently available for sale within a given residential district (all wards/ subdivisions). People could check that property listing to see if a plot they want becomes available, it's more a quality of life thing though.

[Laraul]

You honestly can't see how selling plots from player to player would be abused? RMT have a pretty good supply of free gil, they can buy up plots of land and resell them at large gil profit to increase their own stock of gil via legitimate transactions. ... Given that the housing transaction is legitimate, it would be hard to pin down RMT transactions vs normal transactions because they are masked by the legitimate property sale. I mean, 100 million gil for a large plot is pretty legit, but 100 million for a basic item? Not so much.

RMT operate "in the shadows" so to speak. An exchange is arranged thru a website or some other means of external communication and then the executed in the game thru a player to player trade. Not allowing plots to be sold within the game just fuels the existence of a black market. Availability is nil and whom ever can ask whatever they wish and people will pay. So as it now is the worst it could possibly be. IMO.

The harder something is to obtain, the more a person will be willing to sacrifice to obtain it. The ease at which gil can be earned decreases the likely hood that people will turn too RMT. But housing is literally impossible to obtain. And placing obstacles in the way it just gives RMT more power.