Will we ever be able to 'legally' sell plots?

[MomomiMomi]

The problem is if players were able to sell unwanted plots back to the server for an 80% refund, anyone will buy a plot regardless of anything. ^^;
No refund is 100% gil sink, why need to reduce it to 20% if gil sink is a concern?

The refund encourages people to sell. For example, if you find a house you like better, or you want to move servers. Currently, people may feel stuck in their server because they don't want to lose the investment on their house. Or they may not move to another house because they already paid a lot for their house. People will also be more willing to pay for higher prices instead of waiting for the price to drop because of the refund. This can result in overall larger gil sink than the 100%.

Why when they can sell it to another player for 20-30x more?

Maybe because they want to avoid actions taken against their account.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

The refund encourages people to sell. For example, if you find a house you like better, or you want to move servers. Currently, people may feel stuck in their server because they don't want to lose the investment on their house. Or they may not move to another house because they already paid a lot for their house. People will also be more willing to pay for higher prices instead of waiting for the price to drop because of the refund. This can result in overall larger gil sink than the 100%.



Maybe because they want to avoid actions taken against their account.

So, if you give them the house they can ban you?

[Lexia]

Lol, you obviously don't know how this works girly.

Its called "Hey, make me a donation and I will donate to you this house."

If they want to "argue" about it; I will just say it was a gift and they can't do anything about it. Unless giving gifts to other players is now a punishable offense, if so /reported.

If they start banning people for giving other people things; then they are going to get a lot of negative feedback; and they are not that stupid.

I can also just "list" an item that is worthless for a ton of money listing the digits and have them buy it from me; then just /donate/ them the house after.

Unless buying things from the auction house is also a bannable offense, if so; I think you will be banned too.

There are tons of ways to do this; just use your head. It should of never been made an offense in the first place.

How would you call it a gift if they giving you money in exchange for giving up the house? GMs can check game logs. There are ways around this but just seems like going out of your way to do it.

[Janhyua]

Selling plot to other player is illegal? Lol I have the Gil I buy it and resale it is consider illegal now?

[Lexia]

Selling plot to other player is illegal? Lol I have the Gil I buy it and resale it is consider illegal now?

It listed that way cause you not actually selling the plot you just selling information that you will give up a plot. They will have to buy the plot from the system after you give it up.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

How would you call it a gift if they giving you money in exchange for giving up the house? GMs can check game logs. There are ways around this but just seems like going out of your way to do it.

So.. they checked that they bought something from my broker.. and I didn't trade them any money. So they can 'ban' you because someone else bought something from your auction? So.. I can ask a GM to ban you if I find your guy and buy something from them now?

COOL!

Seems logical to me.

By the way; this happens all the time in politics. Its called self-loaning and gifting and donations!

[Lexia]

So.. they checked that they bought something from my broker.. and I didn't trade them any money. So they can 'ban' you because someone else bought something from your auction? So.. I can ask a GM to ban you if I find your guy and buy something from them now?

COOL!

Guess you miss the point of a GM being able to check the logs, if you tell them hey go to MB and buy this item from my retainer named... and then I'll "donate" my plot to you think they could put the pieces together of what really was going on. Unless you doing it through PF no one will ever know anyways cause GMs don't actively seek out people selling houses unless someone reports it being done.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Guess you miss the point of a GM being able to check the logs, if you tell them hey go to MB and buy this item from my retainer named... and then I'll "donate" my plot to you think they could put the pieces together of what really was going on. Unless you doing it through PF no one will ever know anyways cause GMs don't actively seek out people selling houses unless someone reports it being done.

I don't see how that is valid. He never sold the house for any profit. He listed an item and someone bought it; then he got lucky and saw an empty plot and bought that too. Sure; it can be a coincidence and its a big one at that; but can a GM ban someone for those things?

You can do all that without sending the person a single tell in game; well, unless its some kind of info.

[Lexia]

I don't see how that is valid. He never sold the house for any profit. He listed an item and someone bought it; then he got lucky and saw an empty plot and bought that too. Sure; it can be a coincidence and its a big one at that; but can a GM ban someone for those things?

SE can pretty much do what ever they want it their game, for example they could shut down the game tomorrow if they wanted it even in the ToS.

[MomomiMomi]

I don't see how that is valid. He never sold the house for any profit. He listed an item and someone bought it; then he got lucky and saw an empty plot and bought that too. Sure; it can be a coincidence and its a big one at that; but can a GM ban someone for those things?

You can do all that without sending the person a single tell in game; well, unless its some kind of info.

They can ban you for any or no reason.