Will we ever be able to 'legally' sell plots?

[Kosmos992k]

I don't think there will be direct selling of plots between players. when the housing system was announced it was clear that they did not want to have that happeneing, and initially they were going to have auto-dmolition after 35 days with no refund IIRC. So I don't think that they will go for player to player selling. Quite apart from anything else, if you did that how long would it take for RMTs to turn into property speculators, buying up desireable plots and then selling them for real hard currrency?

Too much scope for abuse.

[Felis]

So long there is no feature that allow you to sell the plot directly (with a fixed price) instead of get paid for just abandoning the plot (the buyer still have not paid for the plot itself), no

Just wait until the apartment houses are finished (was it 3.3?)

[Kosmos992k]

Gil is going down in value as a currency between players cause many people have millions they are sitting on if not more. Gil sinks are a mechanic to prevent it from getting out of hand but I agree it seems SE is changing their mind on that....so I have no idea what they plan to do about inflation... Gil is only going to further decrease in value until you are paying 500k just for a single raid food....

They need to add ways to siphon gil out of the game. The problem with simply adding a desirable glamor item sold for several hundred thousand gil per piece is of course that it would stimulate RMT demand as well. It needs to be soething more gradual.

One idea that comes to mind is making the mini-games at the saucer accept gil as well as MGP. It would be a muh more gradual way to pull giol out of the game, but it would be attractive to players willing to grind things out. Adding a 3rd retainer we pay for in gil instead of hard cash couldwork as well, have a monthly salary for the retainer that is fairly significant, start them off at level 30 of whatever class the player picks to justify the salary, and escalate teh salary based on their level.

The more things that SE can add that gradually siphon gil from the system, the better. At this point, given that the market for shards is essentially toast, they might even consider allowing the various beast tribes to accept gil for one or more kinds of shard. The more gil they can remove from the market the better. Company dues and fees to participate in the PvP tournaments might also help. A balance has to be strucvk though, because too much of this kind of thing could heavily discourage newer players.

[marewa]

I know you can do it back-alley style, but that demand trust from both sides, blah blah, chances of being reported to a GM and ect. Being able to sell or auction the lease of a plot of land would be a nice feature imo.

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[Roth_Trailfinder]

They need to add ways to siphon gil out of the game.

I'm not so sure that the need is to remove the Gil. My reasoning here is simple : with little to nothing to spend it on, it tends to collect in some people's banks. If it is not moving, it is effectively removed already. The only difference is, it is effectively removed by the player holding onto it rather than the game itself.

Money not in circulation is money doing nothing. It does not boost prices, it does not reduce prices, it does not get goods or services to move.

A better solution would be to get the Gil being held back into circulation.

[CGMidlander]

"Plots?"
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

[Alberel]

The part about the transfer system. It was one of the live letters. I watched that live letter. If I recall correctly, he was answering a question about what would need to be done before Ishgard housing would be ready to be released and the dev responded that he thought they should make some sort of transfer system first so that people wouldn't be sad that they already had a house....etc I mean, I think you guys are right that they might do it, but at the moment, unless I'm mistaken, the dev in the live letter (i don't recall which dev) had just said it was something he'd like to do or prefer to do first but... then again I don't speak japanese and someone was translating it for me so maybe I didn't grasp his meaning completely.

One thing I disagree, housing *is* a gil sink and I believe it was always supposed to be. The refund on auto demolished housing was some kind of compromise they came up with, but initially there were supposed to be gil sinks in the game.... If there weren't, where do you all think the gil goes? It just keeps accumulating constantly. I mean, you don't even have to sell on the market board to get money, there are quests, roulettes, monster drops, challenge logs, gil comes from everywhere and it goes *nowhere* for the most part.... That just leads to inflation and that is why stuff is so expensive on the marketboard on many servers at the moment. Gil is going down in value as a currency between players cause many people have millions they are sitting on if not more. Gil sinks are a mechanic to prevent it from getting out of hand but I agree it seems SE is changing their mind on that....so I have no idea what they plan to do about inflation... Gil is only going to further decrease in value until you are paying 500k just for a single raid food....

You're missing the part where an 80% refund on your investment would still be a 20% gil sink, which would add up over time through consecutive buyers.

As it is now most people that have houses are holding onto them even if they no longer want them because they're not legitimately allowed to sell them and they won't give them up if they get nothing back. These plots are sitting stagnant so the only gil they've removed from the economy is the initial investment from the owner.

Now, if players were able to sell unwanted plots back to the server for an 80% refund they would be more likely to actually give them up, thus 20% of their investment has been removed PLUS 100% of the investment of whoever buys it next.

If players had more encouragement to give up unused plots there would actually be MORE gil removed from the economy than under the current system simply due to plots being bought more often.

[Janhyua]

Wild star can do this why can't this game does? Probably because they implement it in such a way for large scale allowing large amount of player in to the zone like a normal zone unlike wild star single zone area

[Nicobo]

...if players were able to sell unwanted plots back to the server for an 80% refund they would be more likely to actually give them up, thus 20% of their investment has been removed PLUS 100% of the investment of whoever buys it next.

If players had more encouragement to give up unused plots there would actually be MORE gil removed from the economy than under the current system simply due to plots being bought more often.

The problem is if players were able to sell unwanted plots back to the server for an 80% refund, anyone will buy a plot regardless of anything. ^^;
No refund is 100% gil sink, why need to reduce it to 20% if gil sink is a concern?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

You're missing the part where an 80% refund on your investment would still be a 20% gil sink, which would add up over time through consecutive buyers.

As it is now most people that have houses are holding onto them even if they no longer want them because they're not legitimately allowed to sell them and they won't give them up if they get nothing back. These plots are sitting stagnant so the only gil they've removed from the economy is the initial investment from the owner.

Now, if players were able to sell unwanted plots back to the server for an 80% refund they would be more likely to actually give them up, thus 20% of their investment has been removed PLUS 100% of the investment of whoever buys it next.

If players had more encouragement to give up unused plots there would actually be MORE gil removed from the economy than under the current system simply due to plots being bought more often.

Why when they can sell it to another player for 20-30x more?