Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[Alistaire]

This thread is getting pretty ridiculous with the bad logic. Some ppl need a refresher on how to not make bad arguments...



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...but of course that'll fall on deaf ears for most because if you really cared to not make bad arguments you'd probably be trying harder than the people here not to make them.

Still gotta try? I guess.

[Ghishlain]

Will This healer dps debate never end? People are gonna do what they want and no amount of arguing in an online form is gonna change that.
I want to say "let this thread die" but as soon as it does a new one will show up.

It's unfortunately gonna keep getting bumped because highly opinionated people will continue to bump this discussion. I do feel its an important discussion to have as any new healer should be wondering what they can do to improve as a healer in FFXIV. It's just a shame that the discussion is generally marred with either animosity and/or ignorance.

To me, the correct answer to become a better healer is to reduce their idle time. What does that mean? Well, it depends on the circumstances as a healer's time is dependent completely on the people you're playing with and how skilled (or unskilled) they are and the content they are participating in and making the appropriate choices afterwards. A healer will be able to afford more DPS time while going with a skilled group and will require much more healing intensity in an unskilled group. In some cases there is minimal time to DPS if the you're say in Midas (Savage or Normal) and the group you're running with isn't handling the fight very well. If you get a tank in a 4-man dungeon that's exceptionally well geared and skilled, you'll have all the time in the world to DPS.

It's all a matter of circumstance and unfortunately some people are treating this particular discussion as black and white when instead it's everything about the grey area in between. Healing is always about circumstances and the best healers are those that can pick out the right response to the chaos to keep the party rolling forward.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

To all those reposting this image as a justification for mandating healer DPS, and calling anyone who disagrees lazy. I have to wonder what happened to your reading comprehension. It says "there may be time" to do some damage. Please note the phrase 'may be' indicates a possibility, not a certainty, and in the full conrext this a suggestion, not an instruction.

If it said "you must find time" of "there will be time" to do some damage, then you might have a point. But it says "there may be time", alternately you could say "there might be time". Either way the meaning is clear, there is the possibility of having the opportunity to do something. Thats all.

Using insulting language when talking about healers who put their healing responsibilities in 1st, 2nd and 3rd place, ahead of doing damage while in a party just makes you sound like Strength tanks who became addicted to their high damage numbers and villified any who did not agree. For people who play a role charged with healing, it's ironic how little you care for those putting healing first.

Here's an interesting tid bit with your argument:
You notice and underline the fact that the particular screenshot states "maybe". Meaning: It's not as black and white that healers have to be contributing with damage or the healers have to be healing at all times. You even mentioned it yourself:

Either way the meaning is clear, there is the possibility of having the opportunity to do something. Thats all.

And then you ruin it all with this:

For people who play a role charged with healing, it's ironic how little you care for those putting healing first.

For one: When did anyone ever mention that healers should neglect healing completely in favor of damage contribution?
And two: If the possibility is there, why are you branding those who make use of these possibilities as "bad healers"?

Not healing is actually also part of the healing game. Take Sephirot EX, for example. What do you do during the first half of the last phase? Just idle with full MP for a full minute? Surely you can recognise this as an opportunity to do some damage contribution, rather than sitting there and moving left and right every 30 seconds for mechanics? Or would this be the kind of bad healer as you mentioned as they're not healing at all at this point?

[Andrea]

For one: When did anyone ever mention that healers should neglect healing completely in favor of damage contribution?
And two: If the possibility is there, why are you branding those who make use of these possibilities as "bad healers"?

This is an argument a lot against dps healers say.

They get a bad healer in their dungeon, people wipe and then some make statements like "All healers who DPS cause wipes and aren't even healing"

[Rawrz]

I love when a whm or ast main heals and lets me just indom/virus/micromanage and keep my dps up. @-@ on Sephy with all the healing I have to do I can still hit 680+ and on hummelfaust I hit 1168 @-@

It's a nice feeling to beat the tanks lol (not as nice when you almost beat the 1200 dps bard xD)

Your goal as the off healer is to keep the party safe enough for the main healer to manage. Each class has 55% hp and an attack that will do 50% is coming and no aoe s after for a while? Leave it to that sexy medica II. Everyone will be fine.

[Ahki]

I was just kicked from my static for healing and shielding too much. Please help.

[DeeColon]

I was just kicked from my static for healing and shielding too much. Please help.

Well.... with the details you've given, I can't blame them. If you're just overhealing and not contributing as much as you can in a static raiding group, and they have someone available who is willing to try to be the best they can be, the group has the right to replace with no regrets. A member of a group not contributing as much as their role allows hurts the play experience of 7 other people.

A Scholar especially is in general viewed as the "DPS Healer" in a 2 healer setup.

[SWB]

I now go into ex roulette with premade parties of 3 dps and me as a healer for faster runs. on these runs I dps 90% of the time while controling eos on obey. never have a death, and it shaves a lot of time. only need to shield for tankbusters

[Rawrz]

I now go into ex roulette with premade parties of 3 dps and me as a healer for faster runs. on these runs I dps 90% of the time while controling eos on obey. never have a death, and it shaves a lot of time. only need to shield for tankbusters

But but Selene D:

[Ahki]

Well.... with the details you've given, I can't blame them. If you're just overhealing and not contributing as much as you can in a static raiding group, and they have someone available who is willing to try to be the best they can be, the group has the right to replace with no regrets. A member of a group not contributing as much as their role allows hurts the play experience of 7 other people.

A Scholar especially is in general viewed as the "DPS Healer" in a 2 healer setup.

I didn't have the accuracy or the DPS to make up for the 10% our group kept wiping at on Faust in AS5. The WHM also couldn't keep the tank up healing solo with Selene.