People are deliberately ruining the story for others

[Niwashi]

And you think forcing players to watch the cutscenes is going to somehow solve this? As stated many, many times, the majority of people only do this dungeon for tomes in Main Scenario Roulette. Sorry, but I find it very hard to believe that 7 other people would offer to help you and agree to not skip cutscenes and then do so when they're not even getting the roulette tomes.

I would have found it hard to believe, too, but that's what happens. PF is useless, because no matter what rules you set up, by the time a group is put together, they still outnumber you, and will still run it however they please. And yes, if everyone had to watch the cutscenes, and couldn't move ahead until everyone was available, it certainly would help. Everyone would have to get the full run, which means everyone would be able to get the full run.

[WinterLuna]

I would have found it hard to believe, too, but that's what happens. PF is useless, because no matter what rules you set up, by the time a group is put together, they still outnumber you, and will still run it however they please. And yes, if everyone had to watch the cutscenes, and couldn't move ahead until everyone was available, it certainly would help. Everyone would have to get the full run, which means everyone would be able to get the full run.

But people wouldn't run the dungeon in the first place unless the reward was worth it when they have to stand around doing nothing every time someone wanted to watch the cutscenes.

I give up posting here, people seem to be purposely ignoring the fact people only run that dungeon for the reward. Good luck with the request, and good luck with getting people to actually run the dungeon if this was implemented.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I would have found it hard to believe, too, but that's what happens. PF is useless, because no matter what rules you set up, by the time a group is put together, they still outnumber you, and will still run it however they please. And yes, if everyone had to watch the cutscenes, and couldn't move ahead until everyone was available, it certainly would help. Everyone would have to get the full run, which means everyone would be able to get the full run.

I am glad people skip the cutscenes because it sounds like you have no respect for other people and only care about yourself.

[Niwashi]

But people wouldn't run the dungeon in the first place unless the reward was worth it when they have to stand around doing nothing every time someone wanted to watch the cutscenes.

Well, nobody asked them to stand around doing nothing. They were supposed to be watching the cutscenes as well. That's what everyone agreed to when they joined the Party Finder that had that condition set, in both the checkbox options and reiterated in the description box as well. Plus it was discussed in party chat before starting the run itself.

It sounds like your lazy and have no idea how to be a leader

So other people agreeing to rules on how to do a run and then reneging on that promise makes me the one that's lazy? I suppose by the standard that I couldn't enforce the rules that had been set made me an ineffectual leader, but the reason I couldn't enforce them because the game doesn't allow any means of doing so. I couldn't even kick anyone out when it was the entire rest of the party that was speedrunning. Kicks are still based on majority vote. PF isn't a solution because PF rules aren't enforceable.

[ExKage]

I'll be brutally honest. I love helping people when asked and I certainly do not mind waiting for people who are watching cutscenes. I've always opted up for waiting for the newer person but... well At this point, even as a tank I can't force them to slow down because another tank will go or a DPS will go and a healer will go etc etc. When the group demands a faster pace, I go with it. I refuse to kick anyone who is lagging because they are watching cutscenes. I've seen people try to do this in some roulettes and I always vote against kicking them.



By Jan 2014 I already had to get a full party to mostly get a good experience and even then, by the end of the Praetorium run even my own friends just went and hit Lahabrea. They were just that exhausted/bored of the whole thing.

Being absolutely forced to re-watch a cutscene I've seen already? I would never queue ever again. I probably may not even help newer people unless they were truly having issues. Forcing me to rewatch cutscenes and not being able to skip them (As I have chosen to skip cutscenes I've already seen) will not make me happy and no amount of extra bonus or reward would be enough of an incentive to queue.

Besides, people are already capping their tomes with Midas, Expert Roulette and PvP. I don't actually know one person who still runs MSR to begin with.

I only ever did it to get a little more bonus experience leveling 50-52 maybe to 60. The tomes aren't worth it when I can get them faster anywhere else.

[Felis]

PF is useless, because no matter what rules you set up, by the time a group is put together, they still outnumber you, and will still run it however they please.

Just make a 2 person party. Then it is 50/50.
But make sure that the other one is lv 60 and enter it unsynched

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Well, nobody asked them to stand around doing nothing. They were supposed to be watching the cutscenes as well. That's what everyone agreed to when they joined the Party Finder that had that condition set, in both the checkbox options and reiterated in the description box as well. Plus it was discussed in party chat before starting the run itself.



So other people agreeing to rules on how to do a run and then reneging on that promise makes me the one that's lazy? I suppose by the standard that I couldn't enforce the rules that had been set made me an ineffectual leader, but the reason I couldn't enforce them because the game doesn't allow any means of doing so. I couldn't even kick anyone out when it was the entire rest of the party that was speedrunning. Kicks are still based on majority vote. PF isn't a solution because PF rules aren't enforceable.

Take some time and help people a bit below you so you at least have 4 friends with you; now you have more then a party and majority! Now you can do ALL the story with a group of friends!

[Jeycht]

PF is possible. I have already join a PF that ask for help to do the lvl 50 story dungeon, and no skip cs. No reward.
I guess I wasn't the only one bored at 2am, full in 10min. We have run the dungeon killing everything and let him watch every single cs before pull.

In DF. I always do it as tank and when there is a new player I ask the party to wait a bit before every boss (I do a 15 countdown before pull).
Sometime they follow sometime not. 15sec isn't a lot but I can't ask for more in a total random party.

[Duuude007]

If people are letting you watch the cutscenes at your own pace, they have none nothing wrong. If they let you idle while they kill enemies or bosses on the path ahead, again, they have done nothing wrong. The only time they are wrong is if they complain about your not keeping up, or boot you for such a thing. And these don't even remain valid as 'wrong' if you decide to harass them for going too fast.

Either accept this speedy party forming DF perk as your efficient means to clear the content (with the consequence of dealing with how the majority wants to progress), or start up your own party with your special snowflake rules. This is a matter of choice, nothing more. There is nothing to debate here.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I'm not saying this is ever going to happen but I wonder if if redesigning CM/Prae to be be multi-stage dungeons like Coil or Alex would help by spreading the cutscenes out instead of having them all happen within a single dungeon.

Not really. The dungeon would be so laughably easy-- more so than it already is -- queue times would become absurd just based on the fact groups could clear in 3-5 minutes. Unfortunately, there just isn't a way to fix CM/Prae. No amount of tomes will incentive the majority of people to sit through roughly an hour of cut scenes they have already seen. What I do think might help mitigate it somewhat is come 4.0, they put multiple mini-boss mobs in there to occupy those who aren't there for the story. It wouldn't be perfect, but it could keep people from leaving new players entirely behind.