People are deliberately ruining the story for others

[ShadowYomi]

I feel while some people would help with those runs if asked there will be some people who will feel they should be compensated with a bonus worth them waiting through that cut scene. Some will either only run with pre-made groups while others will stop doing them. With the whole locking everyone from progressing till the cutscene is done unless it is a automatic without having to press a button to proceed people could potentially troll the group.

But this seems like a issue that will never truly be resolved.

[Dement]

Honestly players going through these dungeons now have it better than any other generation of player out there. They were speed ran almost immediately upon release because they were good sources of philosophy tomestones. However, in the early days due to low gear and players unused to 8 man parties, each fight needed to have the whole party there and ready which means that you just got harassed endlessly if you didn't flat out skip your cutscenes. Through the 2.0 series, it became easier for people to run them without a full party so that opened up the option for new players to watch their cutscenes or participate in the fights. Now in the 3.0 series since you can run the dungeons unsynced, you only really need to ask 1 or 2 level 60s to go with you which is a much easier requirement to fulfill.

tldr; there was never a time when these dungeons didn't ruin most of the new players' story experience. Everyone else had to suck it up and deal with it, the new players can too.

[winsock]

The whole rushing in story dungeons is annoying and people are blind to the issue. If you bring it up, you only get flamed and insulted. There is no repercussion for those people because they are backed by most of the rest of the group, no matter how rude or inconsiderate they are.

The problem isnt the community. The problem is the existence of soooo many lengthy cutscenes. From my experience, most ppl wont care if you watch cutscenes and just leave you behind.

While leaving you behind isnt necessarily the most ideal experience you would hope for as a new player, drastically worsening the experience for the 7 other ppl in your party just so you can have a better one isnt an ideal scenario either.

[Braneric]

I'm not saying this is ever going to happen but I wonder if if redesigning CM/Prae to be be multi-stage dungeons like Coil or Alex would help by spreading the cutscenes out instead of having them all happen within a single dungeon.

[Niwashi]

Issue I have with people complaining about this is Party Finder gives you the option to find people who want to watch CS, to complain means you are being to lazy to take that time

No, we complain because even if you do take that time it accomplishes nothing. Set up Party Finder to say you want a group for Praetorium with no cutscene skipping. Ask in shout and linkshells for people willing to go at a story pace to join, discuss with everyone who does join that this is for completing the story of the game and everyone should watch the cutscenes. When everyone agrees and you enter the dungeon, well, there's still 7 of them and 1 of you, so their desire to speedrun outweighs anything the run was set up for, and you're supposed to just deal with them destroying the game for you, and be thankful for it.

[AlphaSonic]

How to fix Main Story Roulette:

- You aren't able to skip scenes
- You can only do it once a week
- Reward => 500 poetics and 250 esoteric/experience.

Now I fixed all the problems. The reward is worth the time, and you can't skip cutscenes.

[WinterLuna]

you're supposed to just deal with them destroying the game for you, and be thankful for it.

And you think forcing players to watch the cutscenes is going to somehow solve this? As stated many, many times, the majority of people only do this dungeon for tomes in Main Scenario Roulette. Sorry, but I find it very hard to believe that 7 other people would offer to help you and agree to not skip cutscenes and then do so when they're not even getting the roulette tomes.

SE are not going to fix a problem for a dungeon this old. They have improved the way they introduce cutscenes now. Again, people are actually lucky Main Scenario roulette exists, because the time when it didn't, you were lucky to even get into the dungeon.

[WinterLuna]

How to fix Main Story Roulette:

- You aren't able to skip scenes
- You can only do it once a week
- Reward => 500 poetics and 250 esoteric/experience.

Now I fixed all the problems. The reward is worth the time, and you can't skip cutscenes.

See this would now be worth it. I don't know why anyone had a problem with upping the reward in the first place. People complain about a problem and then complain about a solution.

[Niwashi]

Why are they going to spend 45 minutes on The Praetorium when they can spend 15 minutes on another much quicker dungeon which doesn't involve cutscenes and gives the same amount of tomes?

By which you're still saying nothing is changing, which goes against the scenario we were discussing. If one run is expected to take around 45 minutes and another around 15 minutes, then they would not get the same tome reward. The former would get maybe twice or a little over what the later gives (which, once you add in time to get in and so on, makes them about equal in tomes/minute). Plus, these dungeons where it's an issue are already a separate roulette, which should give better rewards than any non-roulette run. So no, we should be assuming that you cannot get better rewards anywhere else. So long as that's the case, people would still run it, even if it was re-designed to take longer.

[WinterLuna]

By which you're still saying nothing is changing, which goes against the scenario we were discussing. If one run is expected to take around 45 minutes and another around 15 minutes, then they would not get the same tome reward. The former would get maybe twice or a little over what the later gives (which, once you add in time to get in and so on, makes them about equal in tomes/minute). Plus, these dungeons where it's an issue are already a separate roulette, which should give better rewards than any non-roulette run. So no, we should be assuming that you cannot get better rewards anywhere else. So long as that's the case, people would still run it, even if it was re-designed to take longer.

... but you can and always will get better rewards somewhere else. You'd get less tomes in a 15 minute dungeon? Run it twice. It still takes less time than the 45 minutes plus you have double the chance of a 100 tome bonus.

Besides, people are already capping their tomes with Midas, Expert Roulette and PvP. I don't actually know one person who still runs MSR to begin with.