Brand new players should not be allowed into 4v4 Feast.

[Iagainsti]

People who do not know what they're doing have no place in ranked... Actively losing rating because someone decided to jump right into the deep end is nothing short of infuriating...

Who made you the Sheriff of Wolve's Den?

Please, please for the sake of the PVP community, we really need to lighten up. Last time I checked, this was a game( and Pre-Season) and honestly the facetious superiority that plagues the Qs is astounding.

[Nalien]

Please, please for the sake of the PVP community, we really need to lighten up. Last time I checked, this was a game( and Pre-Season) and honestly the facetious superiority that plagues the Qs is astounding.

I'm not one to moan at people in game, I'm simply stating here (where developers will (hopefully) take feedback), that people who (usually by their own admission) do not know what they are doing really shouldn't be participating in the competitive scene...

Do I care about the pre-season queues? No, I play Dark Knight, the Feast is dead to me pending those promised 3.25 adjustments... I care about the season queues, and if they're going to be anything remotely like what I've seen from the solo queue prior to 3.22 (frequently being paired up with people who don't even know about skills like Purify...), then it's the equivalent of joining the Olympic swimming team, only to turn up for the competition to find a bunch of toddlers drowning in the pool... I'd like to aim for Gold (or Diamond), but it's kind of hard with all these infants dragging my rating down... Pre-season is here to highlight issues to iron out for the coming season, and amateurs preventing any serious progression beyond Bronze is a pretty serious issue, IMO...

You're right, it's a game... You know what the game is for ranked 4v4? Raising your rank...

I wish people would stop saying that. 8v8 plays differently from 4v4, and the issue is that people aren't prepared for 4v4 ranked matches due to the difference in environments.

I jumped into Feast off Seal Rock and had absolutely no trouble... 8v8 is worlds closer to 4v4 than something like Frontlines...

[Iagainsti]

I'm not one to moan at people in game, I'm simply stating here (where developers will (hopefully) take feedback), that people who (usually by their own admission) do not know what they are doing really shouldn't be participating in the competitive scene...

then it's the equivalent of joining the Olympic swimming team, only to turn up for the competition to find a bunch of toddlers drowning in the pool... I'd like to aim for Gold (or Diamond), but it's kind of hard with all these infants dragging my rating down...

You're right, it's a game... You know what the game is for ranked 4v4? Raising your rank...

and any chance of a serious convo with you has gone out the window. New players= toddlers??? #nochill

You compare a tournament people train their whole lives for to a game mode ( xD) that has been out two weeks.

[Nalien]

You compare a tournament people train their whole lives for to a game mode ( xD) that has been out two weeks.

Ranked exists to raise your rank. What do you honestly expect people interested in their rank to say when they get paired up with someone who doesn't even know about the PvP specific skills? It is utter nonsense to pair people up like this, the queues absolutely need to be separated, because there is no way SE can pull a significant overhaul of the rating system out their ass in the next week or so... They can either do that, or delay the first seasons, because if they don't? Well, then we're just going to end the first season with practically nobody getting past Silver...

I have absolutely no problem with new people coming into PvP, but that is what 8v8 should be for (it's even labeled as practice mode). This nonsense about 8v8 being different to 4v4 is just silly... You're right, Feast has only been out for two weeks, do you know where I practiced prior to that? Seize, Slaughter, Secure... Very different game modes than Feast, yet that is where I learned the bloody basics... Were I new now, I'd be playing 8v8 to learn the basics, because I'm not the kind of person who jumps into a competitive team game in which I know nothing... It's the same reason I've retired my Dark Knight from Feast, I'm not about to actively give my team a significant disadvantage when it will cost them their rating...

Whatever though, keep ignoring the majority of my posts and picking out one sentence to reply with silly gifs.

[Petite]

At least 20 matches in 8v8 should be mandatory to unlock 4v4 premade and solo both.

See the picture below. I did not edit those numbers up.

[Iagainsti]

See the picture below. I did not edit those numbers up.]

First off, we've all had embarrassing games and wouldn't appreciate seeing it on a forum page xD.

Secondly, this is the root of the problem, posting a screenshot of damage dealt, stating it proof is completely circumstantial and subjective. Example, that one blk also achieved 1 assist, and 2 deaths, so the player use CC constantly applying pressure enough to peel players to focus, effectively use defensive CDs to avoid more than 2 deaths( I'd love to have seen damage taken to investigate further) and at some point was able to utilize their focus to help down the focus target.

Before you scoff, realize that your screenshot is just as much proof of your interpretation as it is for my wild tale.

Back to the root of the problem, seasonal rewards tied to individual player rating then tied to a system of pairing individuals randomly into a duty requiring co-dependency and co-operation will breed a glass ceiling or a complete abandonment in the long term.

Both of these scenarios Kill My Queues!!!! XD now the latter half of that statement is not the problem, but the rating system. I believe that new players should be able to queue with grizzled veterans, despite the protests. Now I do not believe it would be such a big protest whether it was a win or loss if the only seasonal rewards/ladder climb was tied to whether it was a win or loss.

You want us to have individual player ratings. Then give us true individual player ratings.

I have a concept that I'm not quite ready to put in print until I hash it out more, but I'm not a game designer, nor do I write algorithms( but I do have rhythms ;D ) but I put it on you Square Enix! You gave me a great game, and I love to pvp, now make it so The Feast is a duty that we all can enjoy together, anytime, for whatever our individual goal is.

[Vaeria]

First off, we've all had embarrassing games and wouldn't appreciate seeing it on a forum page xD.

Secondly, this is the root of the problem, posting a screenshot of damage dealt, stating it proof is completely circumstantial and subjective. Example, that one blk also achieved 1 assist, and 2 deaths, so the player use CC constantly applying pressure enough to peel players to focus, effectively use defensive CDs to avoid more than 2 deaths( I'd love to have seen damage taken to investigate further) and at some point was able to utilize their focus to help down the focus target.

....no. HELL no. Mom could be on fire in one room and Chris Hanson shoving a home-made lolipop down your 3 year old sister's throat in the other and you STILL wouldn't have a justifiable excuse for doing 6k ina match with those numbers. Some things can be allowed as nooberty but thy line musteth be drawn somewhere.

[Maddonious]

At least 20 matches in 8v8 should be mandatory to unlock 4v4 premade and solo both.

See the picture below. I did not edit those numbers up.

See, now thats a bad blm. While Iagain tries to say hes a good one (which obviously isnt the case due to severe, and I mean sevear lack of dps) by saying "theoretically" that the blm used alot of cc is just abserd. 6k damage isnt even 2 attacks. Did he only use scathe the whole time (but 5 mins of scathe should still be way way more)

[Iagainsti]

See, now thats a bad blm. While Iagain tries to say hes a good one (which obviously isnt the case due to severe, and I mean sevear lack of dps) by saying "theoretically" that the blm used alot of cc is just abserd. 6k damage isnt even 2 attacks. Did he only use scathe the whole time (but 5 mins of scathe should still be way way more)

Reread, I never said the player did anything, I said according to the data given, my hypothetical interpretation is just as valid as saying "they're bad mmK". We actually had a few good games in 8v8 last night, and your CC skills were notch, but I know one of those games you didn't break 50k damage so does that make you bad? I assumed your critical thinking skills were better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

[TiaHariberux3]

I mean, she only did 8k less than the enemy Dragoon, through 2 deaths. And she was the highest damage on her team - higher than a smn. That's a reasonable performance in context, even if it's not that great.

You want awful numbers? Here's some awful numbers:



I died at 3:30, team chased and died before I respawned. The excuse I got for why they did such terrible damage?

"The enemy healer was a Scholar."

Just pointing out that a random blm screenshot with this kind of dmg says not much about skill and if they break sleep its really bad even if he did dmg. I have matches with like 6-8k dmg and still get kills and win.