Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[Melondra]

The only reason why healers have the ability to DPS is so they are able to solo content, not to deal DPS in party's. Now if that healer is comfortable and he wishes to do some DPS in there then that's fine he has that ability. But the Healer main job is to heal not to DPS. Did Pre-Alpha/Beata-4 and the reason the job was deigned in this manner was to give the healers the ability to be able to solo content like everyone else. This is why they have the ability to DPS. People really need to stop making jobs into whatever they want and play it as intended.

[demonette]

The only reason why healers have the ability to DPS is so they are able to solo content, not to deal DPS in party's. Now if that healer is comfortable and he wishes to do some DPS in there then that's fine he has that ability. But the Healer main job is to heal not to DPS. Did Pre-Alpha/Beata-4 and the reason the job was deigned in this manner was to give the healers the ability to be able to solo content like everyone else. This is why they have the ability to DPS. People really need to stop making jobs into whatever they want and play it as intended.

If only we hadn't covered this already..

Here is a screenshot from the Hall of the Novice, Healer section.



Did you catch that? Here it is again.



One more time!



In summary,

[Noxifer]

The only reason why healers have the ability to DPS is so they are able to solo content, not to deal DPS in party's.

I'll just begin by responding with this, like other people have before me:

One more time!

In other words, SE does intend for healers to be able to do some DPS in parties. (They also tell you to stop DPSing if the people in your party need healing.) So no, like you say it's not the primary task for healers, but it is part of their toolset. To not use that toolset because "it's not my job", is like a Monk saying, "Well, I only need to keep myself alive during solo content; in parties that's the healer's job. So I'm not going to use my Second Wind if I'm damaged and it's off cooldown."
(Note: It's a different thing altogether if a healer isn't DPSing because they don't feel confident they can pull it off without risking the other party members' lives. It's just the belligerent, "I don't care if I sit half-afk during dungeons; I'm a healer, that's the only thing I'll do," attitude from some people that I'm starting to get fed up with.)

you have to know for a fact that your tank will survive the next hit, otherwise they'll use Hello Ground and you know what happens from there.

Wait. I thought that was the DRG special skill that automatically Provokes the floor. ;)

[Arrius]

In other words, SE does intend for healers to be able to do some DPS in parties.

It's encouraged to DPS, but not required or enforced in any normal dungeon content.
Sure, they can if they want to, put pressing them into doing more then they are willing to and they might act up.

And a stubborn healer you rubbed the wrong way is one of the last things you want in the dungeon, right behind a stubborn tank you angered.

[Noxifer]

It's encouraged to DPS, but not required or enforced in any normal dungeon content.
Sure, they can if they want to, put pressing them into doing more then they are willing to and they might act up.

And a stubborn healer you rubbed the wrong way is one of the last things you want in the dungeon, right behind a stubborn tank you angered.

Oh, I agree that it shouldn't be required (encouraged, yeah, but not demanded), but it does kind of mean you're not playing your role to its full potential. I tend not to comment on healers not dpsing, even if it does kind of irk me when it's someone who stands there for ten to fifteen seconds between each heal cast ^^; However, I know people who don't heal that often and I know what it's like to be relatively new to a place (or having taken a break and gotten rusty), so I don't want to be all rude.

Same with stance-dancing tanks. It's not required, even if it ups dps. (Although that was made more risky and less effective with 3.2) Done incorrectly, it means the tank fails her primary job of keeping aggro and usually leads to a wipe. Done correctly, it means the fight goes much quicker.

But the healers who go "no, never going to heal outside of solo content, because that's not my job :<" kind of remind me of "ice mages". Sure, stuff gets done, but... Meh. To me, they're just as annoying as the healers (or dps) who go pulling more mobs without making sure the tank is comfortable with actually holding them. Especially in low-level dungeons before most classes get their AoE damage >.< (Well, okay, the "just a few mobs more" non-tanks win the annoyance league.)

[Kosmos992k]

To all those reposting this image as a justification for mandating healer DPS, and calling anyone who disagrees lazy. I have to wonder what happened to your reading comprehension. It says "there may be time" to do some damage. Please note the phrase 'may be' indicates a possibility, not a certainty, and in the full conrext this a suggestion, not an instruction.

If it said "you must find time" of "there will be time" to do some damage, then you might have a point. But it says "there may be time", alternately you could say "there might be time". Either way the meaning is clear, there is the possibility of having the opportunity to do something. Thats all.

Using insulting language when talking about healers who put their healing responsibilities in 1st, 2nd and 3rd place, ahead of doing damage while in a party just makes you sound like Strength tanks who became addicted to their high damage numbers and villified any who did not agree. For people who play a role charged with healing, it's ironic how little you care for those putting healing first.

[TheMax1087]

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Theres one small problem with what you are saying. Even though that picture says there may be time, in practice there's nearly always time due to the way the abilities you are given as you level work combined with the way combat in this game works. Every instant heal, regen and shield you use creates a period of time where you don't need to do any extra healing, and a healer that uses those and then stands there and do nothing, or even worse, keep healing when there's no need to heal, is as bad as the ice mages, the heavy-thrustless dragoons/the no ninjutsu ninjas, the turret monk, the mute bard, or the no cooldown tank and should not only not be encouraged to keep doing so, but should actively be discouraged.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

To all those reposting this image as a justification for mandating healer DPS, and calling anyone who disagrees lazy. I have to wonder what happened to your reading comprehension. It says "there may be time" to do some damage. Please note the phrase 'may be' indicates a possibility, not a certainty, and in the full conrext this a suggestion, not an instruction.

If it said "you must find time" of "there will be time" to do some damage, then you might have a point. But it says "there may be time", alternately you could say "there might be time". Either way the meaning is clear, there is the possibility of having the opportunity to do something. Thats all.

Using insulting language when talking about healers who put their healing responsibilities in 1st, 2nd and 3rd place, ahead of doing damage while in a party just makes you sound like Strength tanks who became addicted to their high damage numbers and villified any who did not agree. For people who play a role charged with healing, it's ironic how little you care for those putting healing first.

Here's an interesting tid bit with your argument:
You notice and underline the fact that the particular screenshot states "maybe". Meaning: It's not as black and white that healers have to be contributing with damage or the healers have to be healing at all times. You even mentioned it yourself:

Either way the meaning is clear, there is the possibility of having the opportunity to do something. Thats all.

And then you ruin it all with this:

For people who play a role charged with healing, it's ironic how little you care for those putting healing first.

For one: When did anyone ever mention that healers should neglect healing completely in favor of damage contribution?
And two: If the possibility is there, why are you branding those who make use of these possibilities as "bad healers"?

Not healing is actually also part of the healing game. Take Sephirot EX, for example. What do you do during the first half of the last phase? Just idle with full MP for a full minute? Surely you can recognise this as an opportunity to do some damage contribution, rather than sitting there and moving left and right every 30 seconds for mechanics? Or would this be the kind of bad healer as you mentioned as they're not healing at all at this point?

[Andrea]

For one: When did anyone ever mention that healers should neglect healing completely in favor of damage contribution?
And two: If the possibility is there, why are you branding those who make use of these possibilities as "bad healers"?

This is an argument a lot against dps healers say.

They get a bad healer in their dungeon, people wipe and then some make statements like "All healers who DPS cause wipes and aren't even healing"