Rest in peace War dps

[Brian_]

No, they failed at numerous things with that list of yours. Pentamelds were never BiS. Slaying was. Pentamelds were only BiS during progression and they still are. Aside from the earrings, pentamelds are unarguably better than anything but i240 gear. Even compared to i240 gear, the difference is small and if you're melding (partial) Vs, it's basically a wash -- pentamelds are better for DPS, i240 fending just gives more HP. Hmmm, I wonder where we've seen this before...

I find this idea of "actual mechanics" to be dubious at best. Does Sephirot have no mechanics? Does A5S have no mechanics? Does A6S have no mechanics? Soon A7S and A8S will have no mechanics with this logic. During early clears in pre-3.2, tank DPS was also lower. Optimizing play takes time. On Sephirot I'm consistently ~1100 DPS now. In our second A5S clear this week I was ~870 with conservative play. Could I easily crack 900 if I wasn't as considerate to my healers? Yea, easily. In our A6S progression I am usually around 800-900 in progression. Just look at WAR parses on fflogs. They're 200-300 DPS behind BRDs despite this being progression. Look at early 3.0. It was no different back then. As people get better gear, get more comfortable with fights and drop their tank stance more / get better optimization out of their Berserk / stacks, increase their up-time even further, and shorten fights, you are going to see that gap shrink just like it did before. Tank DPS scales much faster than DPS does. In early 3.0 A1S progression, it was reasonable to expect a WAR to be around 800 DPS. By the end of the patch cycle, they were breaking 1400.

People act like 100% DPS stance tanking was easy in 3.0 progression. It wasn't. Will it get easier as tanks get more gear? Yea, just like before.

People will cry but I don't feel things have changed much at all.

[Syzygian]

stuff about melds

I put BiS in "s for that reason.

stuff about mechanics

I said actual "mechanics" because I fully expected someone to say something dumb like quoting SSS numbers or something. Please take my post in the context to which it was responding. I totally never said any of those fights had "no mechanics". I realize you're a progression raider, however I'm only about a week and a half behind you, there's no need to speak to me like I've never touched a raid.

my deeps are awesome

Congrats? Yes we'll optimize I totally never said we wouldn't? I said that even once we do we're 2-300 AP behind actual DPS. I don't care how sick your fflogs are, I doubt you're closing that gap against an equally skilled DPS, unless your static is literally designed from the ground-up to maximize tank DPS at all possible expense. That BRD will get better gear and get more comfortable with the fight too. Like, its sheer math, we aren't going to deal the proportion of actual DPS numbers that we were before.

Just so you don't misconstrue this post like the last one, I too am fine with the changes and am not complaining at all, and don't see why people are complaining about "tanks approaching bad DPS numbers", as Galgarion was fearmongering about, with almost no context. I merely wanted to give what he said context and point out that its unlikely those complaints are coming back with the force they had before, but sure, rip my post apart when it seems like we actually agree on most of these points?

[Galgarion]

... and don't see why people are complaining about "tanks approaching bad DPS numbers", as Galgarion was fearmongering about, with almost no context.?

I wasn't fear mongering. I think it's awesome. No matter how many surgeries they perform, the worm keeps growing baaaaaaack.