DRK: Which is more viable for MT/OT?

[Jpec07]

Now that Vit and Str scale equally with AP for tanks, there is no good reason a tank, either MT or OT, should be taking Str accessories. The marginal DPS increase you might hypothetically get from it is not worth the sacrificed HP, and as others have said on other threads, it is fully possible to have a full Fending set now with zero Parry (if you really want to avoid it that much, which might be advisable in the OT slot). In general, the concensus for these pieces is to slot Str materia into them, but that's mainly because they can't get any more Vit. You'll also want to be conscious of your Accuracy, since OT doesn't benefit from the tank stance Accuracy buff.

Also, DRK does have OT utility. In the absence of a MNK, they bring the Intellect debuff, and are one of the more capable tanks at grabbing adds. However, a group will benefit more from having the DRK in the MT slot, since they have the highest theoretical MT DPS of any of the tanks, and bring more utility that way (not to mention, DA+DM can counter some of the tankbusters in A8 better than any other tank can).

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Warrior is better OT/MT, Paladin is better MT depending on what your fighting.

Darks are kind of in a weird place because they don't do the DPS of a Warrior and their DPS is closer to Paladin which has much higher sustain. Clemency is sick now.

[Syzygian]

Warrior is better OT/MT, Paladin is better MT depending on what your fighting.

Darks are kind of in a weird place because they don't do the DPS of a Warrior and their DPS is closer to Paladin which has much higher sustain. Clemency is sick now.

I can't recall, so refresh my memory - on what in-game experience/evidence are you basing this?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I can't recall, so refresh my memory - on what in-game experience/evidence are you basing this?

My own; reading a lot on the Japanese forums as well. They have a lot more valid complaints and actually work in calculations as well. In their opinion from what i'm reading Dark Knight is in a weird place. I didn't say it was worse off; I said the Paladins are doing really nice right now and they have rather significant physical defense.

[Syzygian]

My own; reading a lot on the Japanese forums as well. They have a lot more valid complaints and actually work in calculations as well.

So other people's heresay and your own napkin math - any raiding? I forget, but I know you've mentioned it before I just can't for the life of me recall your stance on the one context in the game where this topic matters most.... jog my memory?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

So other people's heresay and your own napkin math - any raiding? I forget, but I know you've mentioned it before I just can't for the life of me recall your stance on the one context in the game where this topic matters most.... jog my memory?

Sorry, Japanese post everything in one big post unlike here so its quite hard to even find the information again; if you want to go grave digging then do it yourself. I've dealt with you before and even though I reply all you do is work around it. I am just summing up what they said; are saying.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/550

[Syzygian]

Sorry, Japanese post everything in one big post unlike here so its quite hard to even find the information again; if you want to go grave digging then do it yourself. I've dealt with you before and even though I reply all you do is work around it. I am just summing up what they said; are saying.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/550

If you're playing telephone for the JP forums fine, my problem is that you mislead people about how jobs play, their potential, and ability to perform in content, with no first-hand experience to back it up.

[Canadane]

You should probably at least cite the big post you found it in, rather than linking to their tank forums.

[Syzygian]

PLD and DRK both still need adjustments, neither of them are incapable of clearing the content like PLD was last early prog cycle.

[MrsFluffyButt]

Warrior is better OT/MT, Paladin is better MT depending on what your fighting.

Darks are kind of in a weird place because they don't do the DPS of a Warrior and their DPS is closer to Paladin which has much higher sustain. Clemency is sick now.

Go away, Nek.