Tanks are still taking STR accessories.

[Ashkendor]

Oh, there are quite a few tanks still wearing it. They want to see their "Attack Power" increase because wearing "VIT" isn't increasing the actual number in the Attributes screen. Some don't want to meld their fending gear with STR.

What? VIT increases the Attack Power number in the Attributes screen. As far as not wanting to meld STR, what else are you gonna meld it with? STR's stat weight is far higher than Crit and DET because it directly increases your Attack Power too.

But I personally don't agree with this as the situations mention by them (Bikkusu) aren't that great and really a crit set stands to benefit more from Blood Bath and Soul Eater in my opinion instead of a ability that no one should be using at top tier play (Clemancy) or a skill that won't always be used for heals and is probably better used for tp restoration still (Equilibrium). But I still don't agree that stacking full crit is the way to go.

I don't even know what to make of that. Cutting your HP pool for an RNG proc when stuff is hitting as hard as it is seems silly to me.

[Jamillion]

Where did you arrive at 80 crit? I'm looking at a gain of over 250 Critical Hit Rate with the new gear at a cost of ~3500 HP.

This is too insane for me to not comment but let me get this straight, you want to sacrifice 3500 GUARANTEED HP for hell, let's get crazy with the numbers and say a 50% chance to crit equilibrium. Equilibrium scales off of attack power, so keep in mind if it crits you'll probably only get 3500 hp more than usual back anyway (with berserk up). Is that what I'm supposed to be getting from this?

[Kerwin]

The new lore and midas accessories can let you meld STR into them. I would think that would be sufficient enough no? It's not nearly as much STR as it use to be, but since VIT is primary now it's like icing on the cake. Not to mention most of the accessories don't have garbage secondary stats on them. Crit and DET is on most of them.

[KrenianKandos]

I'm not so sure relying on RNG for possibly critting with a 60 second CD skill is better than always having said health and being topped off by a healer within seconds.

The logic just doesn't seem to be there for me. Crit, in a whole, is based on RNG and increasing the Crit chance + Crit Damage doesn't seem to be the best benefit. But Parry is completely useless as a stat so Crit has a much higher value, which the Fending gear doesn't really have much of.

So you're stuck with Vit with a crappy secondary at 0.45 = 1 ATK versus STR with good secondary stats that would give you more DPS, however you're losing a significant chunk of vitality because of it.

So then you get to the argument: Can you get enough vitality to survive all the scripted attacks and increase your dps.

In the end, I don't think the DPS increase is enough to just skate by fights by the skin of your teat. Rather have the cushion, and I'll meld STR which is a more consistent stat, or Crit if I really want to get that extra damage.

Still not buying the argument of going STR Accs vs Vit Accs. Also, with this introduction of the stat change, they could hopefully start looking at better stats, or maybe even look at how Parry works and make it more interesting. One can hope.

[Seku]

What? VIT increases the Attack Power number in the Attributes screen. As far as not wanting to meld STR, what else are you gonna meld it with? STR's stat weight is far higher than Crit and DET because it directly increases your Attack Power too.



I don't even know what to make of that. Cutting your HP pool for an RNG proc when stuff is hitting as hard as it is seems silly to me.

It does to me too. Which is why I don't agree with them. ;.;

A few people seem to think Bikkusu is trying to get more dps, even though she's stated several times she's just trying to get more equilibrium crits. However, I agree with you. Either one doesn't offer enough reward for sacrificing all that vit.

Some probably do now. But I think what the people talking about the DPS are saying is that the minor DPS increase would be a better excuse to stack the crit rather than the RNG heals that are situational at best.

But I'm happy a majority of us can agree at least that all in all it's a silly idea until further proof proves us wrong.

[Cirdan-Faust]

If they are doing this they are utterly retarded. If VIT and STR are equal why would you take less health? It was arguable in 3.1 that taking more strength for less health was worth it but it will never be arguable that taking mire crit is worth it. Especially since stat weights were lowered.

[JackFross]

I just give up, man. The absolute ignorance this dude is spitting baffles me to the point that I can't even bring myself to mount a proper retort.

It heartens me that there's only one person spouting nonsense while everyone else agrees with the proper things.

[MeridaQ]

War with full vit accessories with strength melded and I crit equilibrium with beserk going for 13k. ;p

[Marianno]

It is more along the lines of not wanting to accept it. It gets really annoying and tiring to have to go into dungeons with tanks who are still wearing all str acc or who are wearing vit acc and still not using the tank stance. I wish people would actually play the job as intended. Do your primary job first then all else secondary. Then have tanks get angry for pulling hate off of them.

[JackFross]

I mean, my PLD alt is currently rocking full VIT with one STR accessory (melded with 15 vit, rip drg) and I still pull and play exactly the same as I did pre-3.2. I run with my SMN friend who bursts for 1700-1800 on bosses when she has dwt ready to go, and I always pull:

ShO>FB>SB>RoH>FB>RB>SwO>FoF>GB>etc.

Never have issue with aggro, and if I do I just weave some RoH into my SwO rotation, and I'm fine. I'll also weave RoH in if I eat vuln stacks and am on a physical boss, but that's neither here nor there.

I also tend to switch to SwO when there's 1-2 mobs left (coupled with a light cd like Foresight or Ramp) to help finish them off a bit quicker. I also tank bosses 1 and 3 in A6N in SwO once I establish hate, since they're jokes. I also tanked A7N in Sword Oath the other day thanks to a really cool PLD who just Covered me to eat the stacks from Uplander Doom (and voked the one time Cover was down, letting me take it back when he got all the stacks).

If you hold hate and don't die (read: USE COOLDOWNS) you can play however the hell you want with your tank, tbh. I ran A8N the other day with a DRK rocking 18k (3 slaying accs) and he solo-tanked p1 without dying. I think it's stupid and it decreases raid dps because your healers need to baby your ass to keep you from dying, but, like, it can be done. Just requires you to be a good tank and know how to properly rotate your cooldowns to survive.