Suggestion for drk to increase raid utility and make enmity combo more appeasing

[Syzygian]

I think giving DRK a slashing debuff would shift the meta to WAR MT/DRK OT and leave PLD in the unemployment line again.

I doubt this just because it wouldn't fundamentally change a DRK/WAR comp in any meaningful way. WAR would still keep up the debuff b/c its a DPS gain for them and DRK would still avoid Power Slash because its a DPS loss, regardless of who is MTing or OTing. And DRK MT/WAR OT would still be the more efficient overall assignment there, still.

It would however, make PLD/DRK comps extremely good. The potential raid mitigation of a DRK MT/PLD OT comp would be pretty sweet, and still have good raid DPS.

That being said, I don't like the idea of having a slashing debuff on Power Slash in particular. Giving anything to Power Slash in its current state is putting lipstick on a pig, they need to either move potencies around fundamentally rework the combo, because having a slashing debuff on it would just make DRK the tank version of NIN - has a slashing debuff, but needs a WAR (*eyeroll*) to avoid having to use it.

[Ashkendor]

That being said, I don't like the idea of having a slashing debuff on Power Slash in particular. Giving anything to Power Slash in its current state is putting lipstick on a pig, they need to either move potencies around fundamentally rework the combo, because having a slashing debuff on it would just make DRK the tank version of NIN - has a slashing debuff, but needs a WAR (*eyeroll*) to avoid having to use it.

I do seriously dislike having my STR debuff on RoH. It means I have to use it way more often than I'd like to. :|

[Tanathya]

I do seriously dislike having my STR debuff on RoH. It means I have to use it way more often than I'd like to. :|

DRK loses more than any other job by using that combo, firstly because of the overall potency, and secondly because of the MP lost.

[cold52]

another thought outta the blue, not sure how well it would affect the job but...perhaps adding a 5% debuff to dot damage for dark arts power slash?

[Reynhart]

I do seriously dislike having my STR debuff on RoH. It means I have to use it way more often than I'd like to. :|

As a tank, your role is to offer mitigation, so you should want to put the STR debuff.

The problem with PS combo is not that it's a DPS loss, it's that it offers nothing besides enmity.
As I see DRK, PS should be given the INT debuff, Delirium should be the highest DPS combo, and DA-Souleater shoud only increase the leeching effect. This way, you'd have three combo with a very different purpose.

As for giving DRK an OT utility, I'd really think DA-Blood Weapon should offer a raidwide leech, but not necessarily of MP. And the DA-SoulEater would be useless as an OT, offering more room to use DA on something else.

If you mean by this that only one job could bring slashing down then it should propably be NiN, not sure how it would gimp their rotation tho.

They could adjust the potencies of NIN so Slashing Debuff would be part of their optimal rotation.

[WolfKid]

As a tank, your role is to offer mitigation, so you should want to put the STR debuff.

What if the boss does magic damage?

[Reynhart]

What if the boss does magic damage?

Then you'd better let a DRK take the MT role and rotate between GB and RA
In all seriousness, with the increased enmity on Savage Blade and Shield Oath, you can afford less RoH if the STR debuff is useless

I mean - in fairness - it already is part of their optimal rotation. They just don't use it, because it's better not to, if a WAR provides a slashing debuff.

It should be a part of it, wether or not you have a WAR, exactly like how you describe disembowel.
For example, even if you have two WAR, and providing you don't need the healing or the damage mitigation of Storm's Path, they'll both use Storm's Eye, just because they have Maim on the way.

For NIN, instead of having three WS after Gust Slash, you could have Spinning Edge - Dancing Edge - Armor Crush. Since extending Huton is necessary, you'd just apply the debuff whatever setup you have.

[Fue]

This is why i still pretty much exclusively play war. I have no problem sacrificing 40potency to keep superior path up if needed compared to mana problems on drk or having to sacrifice 90potency on pld to have str down up.

[JackFross]

They could adjust the potencies of NIN so Slashing Debuff would be part of their optimal rotation.

I mean - in fairness - it already is part of their optimal rotation. They just don't use it, because it's better not to, if a WAR provides a slashing debuff.

Disembowel works because it's not an option in the Dragoon rotation - it just happens as a natural result of doing your shit. No one ever consciously thinks about whether or not Disembowel is up - you don't need to choose a lower potency combo in order to re-activate it; it's self-fixing. The most important thing to note, though, is that, in an optimal party composition, Disembowel helps just one additional player - the Bard or Machinist. Rarely will you have both. If you have a second DRG, it doesn't do anything. Who cares? You overwrite back and forth anyway.

Slashing Debuff helps out two additional players - either both tanks, or the other tank and the ninja (if one's present). This suddenly makes it far more necessary a debuff. There's no real way to adjust NIN to make DE part of their max dps rotation with a Warrior present unless it's stronger than Aeolian Edge or affords some other buff that Aeolian Edge's combo does not. Storm's Eye is not optimal to WAR because of its potency or even its debuff (if the dps from using it was more of a loss than the NIN using DE, the NIN would use DE...) - it's because it chains off of Maim and is stronger than the alternatives (Storm's Path or just going back to a BB combo). They could do something weird by making Dancing Edge a 3-step combo building off of Shadow Fang, maybe. THAT could be interesting.


I just think it's all a little silly. The easiest way to fix the issue is to apply a slashing debuff to one of the other tanks. I don't think this is as difficult as people make it out to be...