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    Aurius Rosnsathsyn
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    Adamantoise
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    Dark Knight Lv 60

    Suggestion for drk to increase raid utility and make enmity combo more appeasing

    So I've been drking a lot lately, and the changes in 3.2 (in my opinion) negatively hit this tank the hardest. Before the patch, we did an extremely high potency opener and we never touched our enmity combo again. Now, I'm not complaining about the tank changes, however on drk using your enmity combo punishes you beyond the aspect of enmity. So I propose a change and I personally don't believe it to be game breaking, and will make drk a better ot, and mt. I don't care if you lock it behind a dark arts use, but add a slashing debuff to drks power slash. I propose it be a 30 second debuff, that cannot be overridden by storms eye or dancing edge. 30 seconds is to allow you the opportunity to do syphon strike combos and regain mp. I feel this would make drk/pal a better combo, would assist drk/war by allowing the war to spam bb combo, and make our enmity combo far more rewarding. Let me know what you think!
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    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    I'd rather see Int Down on PS or make DA PS an on demand Provoke. Having a Silence would also be wonderful. And likewise the Magic Tank getting Magic Vulnerability up debuff on Delirium. NIN/WAR get Slash Damage Up while the DRK boosts magic damage.

    And for pure Off Tank utility you should be able to force a Reprisal with DA when not in Grit. Otherwise you rely on a parry. Which generally does not happen if you are locked into OT duty where you aren't required for swaps.
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    Player JackFross's Avatar
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    Eve Malqir
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Mmmm... DA+Reprisal as OT would be so tasty. Stronger than using that DA for a Souleater, but not near as good as using it for Carve. Which raises a slight issue in that, any OT DRK worth their salt would DA+Reprisal every time it's off cooldown, rather than using it at more optimal mitigation moments.
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Might have to have the overall potency reduced on it then.

    Power Slash is like, 10-12% higher than the other enmity combos.
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Aurius View Post
    Let me know what you think!
    I think giving DRK a slashing debuff would shift the meta to WAR MT/DRK OT and leave PLD in the unemployment line again.
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    Syzygia Coahcuhhar
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    I think giving DRK a slashing debuff would shift the meta to WAR MT/DRK OT and leave PLD in the unemployment line again.
    I doubt this just because it wouldn't fundamentally change a DRK/WAR comp in any meaningful way. WAR would still keep up the debuff b/c its a DPS gain for them and DRK would still avoid Power Slash because its a DPS loss, regardless of who is MTing or OTing. And DRK MT/WAR OT would still be the more efficient overall assignment there, still.

    It would however, make PLD/DRK comps extremely good. The potential raid mitigation of a DRK MT/PLD OT comp would be pretty sweet, and still have good raid DPS.

    That being said, I don't like the idea of having a slashing debuff on Power Slash in particular. Giving anything to Power Slash in its current state is putting lipstick on a pig, they need to either move potencies around fundamentally rework the combo, because having a slashing debuff on it would just make DRK the tank version of NIN - has a slashing debuff, but needs a WAR (*eyeroll*) to avoid having to use it.
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygian View Post
    That being said, I don't like the idea of having a slashing debuff on Power Slash in particular. Giving anything to Power Slash in its current state is putting lipstick on a pig, they need to either move potencies around fundamentally rework the combo, because having a slashing debuff on it would just make DRK the tank version of NIN - has a slashing debuff, but needs a WAR (*eyeroll*) to avoid having to use it.
    I do seriously dislike having my STR debuff on RoH. It means I have to use it way more often than I'd like to. :|
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    Tamsus Sostas
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Replace the parry up buff on dark dance with an auto-counter since parry is trash anyway. Make it take effect even when enemy attacks are blocked, parried, or dodged, and counter all crits with crits.
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    Nel Synestra
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    Moogle
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    I think giving DRK a slashing debuff would shift the meta to WAR MT/DRK OT and leave PLD in the unemployment line again.
    That slashing down debuff needs to be spreaded more, currently there is only 2 jobs that can apply it and its also one of the reasons why WAR has always spot in raids. I dont care who gets it but it should be either DRK or PLD as it affects tanks most(and NiN), RA is pretty naked atm so maybe that could be one place to add it if DRK's dont like to have it on PS.
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    Last edited by Synestra; 03-06-2016 at 01:57 PM.

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    Syzygia Coahcuhhar
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    One of the reasons the Piercing debuff works so well is DRG is the only one that can apply it, and it does not really compete with BRD/MCH for a raid spot. Perhaps the Slashing debuff could follow a similar model?
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