is WAR the best MT now?

[Seku]

Stuff about Defiance

Or they could just go ahead and allow for the HP to recover when WAR's enter into defiance and the just take grit and ShO off GCD. Sounds like a easier fix.

[Reynhart]

It's because they won't let me. I've tried to be an MT in many VA runs as a warrior, but DRK or PLD won't let me. They tried so hard to rip off the boss' agro from me and well... I let them. PLD and DRK have the exclusive MT spot in VA or other trials from what I see.

It's probably because they're better at MT...
Not better than WAR...but better than OT, and that's an already known issue. PLD and DRK both lose important things by being Off-tank.

Were they also designed with an OT perspective, it would also make PLD/DRK and DRK/PLD a more interesting setup than it is now.

[Tanathya]

Let's not act like nothing's changed. Let's not act uppity and act like this feeling of a nerf is exclusive to lesser players. Just because enmity generation in tank stance has changed to compensate for our 20% damage nerf does not mean enmity generation out of stance has.

This. If people don't want to get out of tank stance, then good for them, the rest of us want to actually play around and optimize our performance, and that has taken a huge hit.

[Seku]

This. If people don't want to get out of tank stance, then good for them, the rest of us want to actually play around and optimize our performance, and that has taken a huge hit.

Then get out of tank stance and optimize your performance. Nothing is stopping you from doing this other than taking a 25k tank buster to the face, which is probably possible in the current fight. But really if you're so invested in maxing out damage that it pains you to first optimize holding hate and taking less damage first, maybe you should...

A. visit the hall of novice where they teach you the basic of tanking.
B. Consider playing a DPS.

[Hierro]

That's how you sound like. Just a fyi.

Ah gee, does a DPS still fulfill their job if they're dead? Think up a better argument.

[Reynhart]

Ah gee, does a DPS still fulfill their job if they're dead? Think up a better argument.

No, but they don't whine about how they NEED more mitigation or they'll just stop playing...
While tanks go on and on about how they can't tank out of tank stance, so they NEED more enmity or more damage...

[HoodRat]

No, but they don't whine about how they NEED more mitigation or they'll just stop playing...

Wasn't there a thread in the dps forums a while back about how someone hated mch and was going to stop playing it because they had little to no self heals and mitigation?

[Tanathya]

Then get out of tank stance and optimize your performance. Nothing is stopping you from doing this other than taking a 25k tank buster to the face, which is probably possible in the current fight. But really if you're so invested in maxing out damage that it pains you to first optimize holding hate and taking less damage first, maybe you should...

A. visit the hall of novice where they teach you the basic of tanking.
B. Consider playing a DPS.

Maybe you're the bad tank here, and your friends never told you. If you don't know how to stance dance, don't blame me.

Edit: Just for the record, I never said I had any problems, I just adapted to how things are, but like someone said, and I quoted, let's not pretend that hasn't changed.

[Bjorn_Ironside]

Maybe you're the bad tank here, and your friends never told you. If you don't know how to stance dance, don't blame me.

I'm a firm believer that deliverance is reserved for when i'm off tanking and defiance for MT and I've never had an issue with any content thus far have yet to run midas but ran savage, my DPS in defiance isn't anything to laugh at. I've seen multiple of you "stance dance masters" eat a crit to the face while you're in deliverance and hit the floor, then bitch at the healer for not keeping you up.

[Reynhart]

Wasn't there a thread in the dps forums a while back about how someone hated mch and was going to stop playing it because they had little to no self heals and mitigation?

Maybe there was, but for one dumb thread like that, you have dozens of thread about "RIP 3.2 tanks"