Originally Posted by Colorful

I personally consider a one shot mechanic something that if messed up, can and will lead to a wipe. Midas 3 and the cat hearts for example, at 2 stacks you're likely going to be one shot by his AoE.

Eh, my definition is closer to Slappah's.

One shot = guaranteed to kill one player
Raid wipe = guaranteed to kill the whole party

Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Eh, my definition is closer to Slappah's.

One shot = guaranteed to kill one player
Raid wipe = guaranteed to kill the whole party

I agree with this.. I mean obviously depending on who that one player is it can lead to a raid wipe but.

Originally Posted by Whiteroom

"Extreme"

Not

"Novice"


Also, there are no restrictions on parties, since you can make your own.

I can't like this post hard enough. Making your own party isn't hard, people.

Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Am I correct in understand these fights are like T9 (maze of instant death attacks)? If so, that's troubling. Very very troubling.

Put in the effort to learn the fight, critique yourself, learn from mistakes, and the fight will be second nature to you. It's worked for me with almost all content except A3s lol.

I think I can be the middle man here. As I understand both sides. On one hand, are the fights fun with full on mechanics, instead of fighting a training dummy. Of course. The main issue, I think is the community. I have been in countless PF parties and have seen people harassed for not enough dps, bad gear, or making silly mistakes in a PRACTICE run. Instead of moving on and trying again, like a functioning static would. You will see things like "GG scrub" or "have fun in savage".

Then everyone argues, and instead of learning the fight. Everyone will just disband. The stress of this puts people off, and I feel thats why some of the players on this forum seem intimidated by this midcore content.

Originally Posted by Nemesis4567

I think I can be the middle man here. As I understand both sides. On one hand, are the fights fun with full on mechanics, instead of fighting a training dummy. Of course. The main issue, I think is the community. I have been in countless PF parties and have seen people harassed for not enough dps, bad gear, or making silly mistakes in a PRACTICE run. Instead of moving on and trying again, like a functioning static would. You will see things like "GG scrub" or "have fun in savage".

Then everyone argues, and instead of learning the fight. Everyone will just disband. The stress of this puts people off, and I feel thats why some of the players on this forum seem intimidated by this midcore content.

Unfortunately the devs can't just fix the community

Originally Posted by AskaRay

Unfortunately the devs can't just fix the community

This^. There lies the dilemma.

Originally Posted by Nemesis4567

This^. There lies the dilemma.

I say keep it, and not only that throw even more mechanic filled fights even in the story mode content. I'm talking Thordan Ex/A3S difficulty for the story mode content, with the difficulty ramped up even further for the harder content. That way you HAVE to work as a team to beat the content and the petty arguments will not get you anywhere because you can't just faceroll it.

Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

I say keep it, and not only that throw even more mechanic filled fights even in the story mode content. I'm talking Thordan Ex/A3S difficulty for the story mode content, with the difficulty ramped up even further for the harder content. That way you HAVE to work as a team to beat the content and the petty arguments will not get you anywhere because you can't just faceroll it.

Wasn't Steps of Faith like this?

Originally Posted by Aquaslash

Wasn't Steps of Faith like this?

That's what I heard, never got to attempt it before it got nerfed though, so can't speak from experience, only from what I heard on the grapevine. I do think that story content needs to push you a hell of a lot harder, and not only that but after every wipe, also say "Duty Failed" (like what happens on Bismarck if the island gets destroyed), so as to further emphasise people to try again.