I was fighting for the same thing on a dungeon the other day so i said "hey im gonna give them a lesson" i used healer lb on trash and got kicked xD
But yeah people doesnt understand is faster to use lb asap cause its also gonna fill again but meh

I was fighting for the same thing on a dungeon the other day so i said "hey im gonna give them a lesson" i used healer lb on trash and got kicked xD
But yeah people doesnt understand is faster to use lb asap cause its also gonna fill again but meh

Only time I think it is wise to save LB is when you know it's going to be a rough fight, or things seem to be bumpy from the start. Happened last night in my (disastrous) runs of A8 where the DPS were using LB3 on the boss's final form before he hit 50% (even before then, things were rough), and like... less than a minute later, shit hit the fan and a healer LB3 could have saved us and allowed us to clear. In instances like that, I normally advocate for saving DPS LB3 for the last 20-15%.
If it's a trivial fight, though, or the group is managing just fine with absolutely zero problems, then sure, use that LB as soon as it fills. Or before, if it looks like the boss might die before the gauge fills. Or if you just feel like blowing shit up.
LB is a skill, and skills are supposed to be used. So use it. Though I do enjoy when groups neglect to use it and I get to blow it after the boss dies with my healer/tank LB... Especially if I get to use my AST's LB3~. So pretty.
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The only time I found it necessary to use Tank LB2 in Thordan EX was when we made it to the final phase where everyone starts taking massive bursts of raid-wide aoe damage. (I don't know the name of the move, but its the part where you screen flashes white a lot) Seconds before everyone began to take damage, I started to panic, noticing both our healers having rougly 15% mana left. Our 2 DPS had weakness and were just raised, and the other 2 DPS have 50% HP left.
I would say this is a fine time to use a Tank LB. Nobody died durning the chaos of that phase...but we slowly wiped after sacred cross burning Thordan down from 4% to 1%. A Truly disappointing wipe, but something to learn from.


Kinda on topic I remember using a melee level 2 limit on the last boss in Anti Tower when Calcabrina was at 50% a healer asked me why I wasted the limit halfway though the fight.
What difference does it make if I use it at the start, middle or end? The fight is not going to go any faster if I used it at the end. I'm dealing the same damage.

People goes by the logic that most bosses by the end of the fight the party might be lacking resources, people might be dying or dead, the healer might be having a hard time to heal, the bursts are all gone, the tank is asperging, etc.
They hold to the end so the boss don't start a new wave of AoE or use any kind of skill that might takes a bit longer to kill him, to assure the party won't be wiped by whatever reason, holding the Limit Break until the dead is reasonable common sense when your party is having a hard time.
But if you're in a rather easy dungeon, whatever man, it's stupid for both sides for be angry when you should use LB when the boss is going to die even if you hand your keyboard to your grandma.
Been farming Bis Ex last few days and I noticed that some groups would use the LB on the snake things in order to get past that part if it was a close call. Then one group that kept just barely not making it past that part I suggested using the LB and the tank was like "NO! You only use LB on the end! No one uses limit break before then" when I said some of my previous groups used it he was still acting skeptical about using it on that part and we ended up wiping one more time and the group fell apart because someone had already stated that that was their last attempt. So in the end, if you know you are going to fail if you don't use it, why not just use it? Maybe I should have just hit that shiny button, but I didn't want to get yelled at xD

My personal view is on normal duns anyone use if its full, it doesn't make much difference anyway and I don't want to drop BotD. Better a caster uses it on trash pulls or a ranged.
On stuff like A8 that people are still learning I say wait a bit to see how the group is doing. And don't yell at me to LB. If the group is doing badly but not enough that we needed healer LB3 I (or another melee) will use it when we don't have a nigh certain chance of dying to mechanics because of animation lock. Still its only my opinion and I am certainly no expert or even that experienced I'm sure.
As a dragoon, here are the reasons I might be sitting on a full LB bar:
1. I forgot it's there. Either it's a tough fight and I'm focusing on my rotation and mechanics, or it's a snoozefest roulette and I'm distracted by FC chat. I didn't notice that chime when the LB filled all the way.
2. I'm waiting for a safe time to use it when I know the boss isn't going to jump/throw out huge AoEs/go invulnerable.
3. Saving it for healer or ranged/caster, if needed.
As a sometimes healer and sometimes tank, I love it when casters lb on huge trash pulls, but best if they let the group know they're doing it in advance.
Monk:
- i wont use lb as soon as its up if im unsure the next mechanic is around the corner to hit me badly
- i wont use lb as soon as its up if i just popped my buffs for burst, can still do so after
- i wont use lb after that because the boss is at 8 percent already and once the lb hits, at 2 (which i wouldve taken faster by dpsin)
- i wont use lb in alex, ravex or other stuff early if its a mediocre/subpar group that might or might not need heal lb
- i might prefer to keep my stacks up in some cases
- lately i found myself hoping for the other melee in i190s to lb, since i assume it does the same dmg and he misses out on less dps than me in 220s. No clue if these assumptions hold any value, but they are in my head ^^
- list goes on for hours
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- i wont use lb just cause someone says so, unless i feel hes right and appreciate the reminder cuz i slept (many unwelcome lb calls are being made tho)
- i like cast lb on trash and big pulls. Absolutely love the combination of both. I hardly ever find myself unhappy with others lbing, unless it was obvious we would need heal lb n some guy wastes it just before that very moment
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- lb doesnt matter all that much to me, and the thought behind using it at the killing point is "meh whatever, its over, gg cya"
- having said all that, its not like i never lbd the 2nd boss or anything, no im not concerned about wether we have 3 bars at the final boss "in time"
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-> If you have no idea of what the other end is doing and why (like being tank only or 23/7), please dont tell them what to do.
-> Try to be emphatic if you can (having spent enough time on melee-dps-lb-go-to-guy yourself), and since it doesnt even matter, relax. If it bothers u that much you are sitting on an lb in the end, give com to sb else, i know i wouldve been your favorite choice if only it wasnt for that dang lb.



In fairness, Bismarck EX is a meta DPS check, and while it might had helped you get pas the Sanuwa phase, if people are having trouble with that then they might be unable to finish the boss off.
Then again, my experiences farming Moby Dick with LBs tend to have them use not enough at the end to kill the boss (quite unlike most of my usual witnesses of LBs in dungeons) but enough to make the killing off easier
On the other hand, that's usually on the 3rd time Moby Dick's been snared, and the fight allows several opportunities to kill the Corona before he feasts on the island. But I can see why people would complain about using LB early in that case.
In general. I think the idea of using LBs only at the last boss comes from a massive epidemic of paranoia, people tend to be cynical when using Duty Finder, expecting sub-par DPS, Healers on Netflix and Tanks that die to a stiff breeze. But even then in most cases players are overgeared to the point where it becomes redundant to bosses in general, this coupled with with the damage offering an illusion that the dungeon will end sooner leads to people conserving the Limit Break even thought it serves no purpose outside of maybe Balmung RP parties (and even then, I don't think they would consciously put RP over getting runs done faster). But then again because of the LB being rendered moot, I don't really care if it gets used or not, let alone when.
EDIT: ironically after I made this post, I say myself asking about LB use/timing more often
Last edited by Morningstar1337; 03-15-2016 at 03:16 AM.
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