Who actually got conj , so that hey could be a dmg mage ?

[Coglin]

I agree, I have made a ton of statements on this issue and several in this thread about the seperation of class concepts from FFXI to FXIV and others in the series. Only diference is, every time I attempt to clarify this is FFXIV and a different beast is its own right, I and the others who point this out also, are chastised. It has amazed me to this point, how so many on the forums here wish to pigeon hole FFXIV into a niche MMO as FFXI was. Do not get me wrong, FFXI was a good game and a successful one financially, but on the MMO larger scale it was way down the list subs wise. Let FFXIV have its own reigns and be its own game, in its own rights, with its own lore.

[Danavia]

What can I say, some people like tradition, and I'm one of those people. And I haven't even played FF11, I just have a softspot for the FF3 job system. But I'm looking forward to a healing job regardless its name or abilities, it's just that it'd probably feel a bit weird for a while to me if it was nothing like White Mage, since its like my favourite job, so yeah.

[Zemeckis]

Your all freaking out...JOBS havnt even been released yet so thats were its at

[Klive]

Another researched 'rant'

Google granted the following info.

Conjure translations:
Japanese: 幻術士 = Illusionist
German: Druide = Druid
French: Élémentaliste = Elementalist


Thaumaturge translations:
Japanese: 呪術士 = Brujo (roughly warlock) witch doctor and shaman also came up.
German: Thaumaturg = Thaumaturge
French: Occultiste = Occultist

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thaumaturge
Thaumaturge = (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) Rare a performer of miracles; magician


Conjure Broken down: 幻術 = Literally meaning "Illusionary Techniques"
THM Broken down: 呪術 = sorcery
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%A5%9D%E8%A1%93

士 - MEANING: samurai, man, gentleman, scholar

[Albio]

Because the devs said so. They said for now, each class will have one and only one job. They listed BLM and WHM as the only 2 caster jobs. Those are facts from devs post.

I am not asking you to like or agree with it, but to get on the offensive with me because I simply work off the devs information is illogical. If you didn't read the post at the time the devs posted it, I am sorry, but I am not posting links so you may catch up to what is common knowledge. Do your own research my friend.

Secondly, I am not debating whether some are right or wrong, thats not an issue. My debate is based on the reasoning some are posting as to how they came up with there logic for it. You don't have to like it. But I am not gonna sit here and read how elemental nukes = BLM while they deny the posobility of CON being WHM because they have cure/protect/shell, which are much more logically linked to healer then elemental nukes are linked to BLM.

As Gicker mentions, CON have to have some form of damage. The only forms of damage we have in game are Blunt, Pierce, Slash, Water, Ice, Earth(all 3 affinities make up umbral), Fire, Thunder, and Wind(the three of which make up astral).

The logic of Blunt, Pierce, or Slashing seem nonexisted for options for CON as its main form of damage, thus only leaving the Elemental affinities. Based on the fact that they got elemental affinity damage over physical damage in no way makes them a "logical assumption" to be BLM wgile supporting the cure/curaga/protect/shell abilities.

Dude, what are you talking about? When have elemental nukes not been linked to BLM? RDM can cast them, but conversely RDM can also cast cure/protect/shell. I don't understand why you're "logic" of linking those spells to WHM is more valid than other's logic of linking nukes to BLM. Can you please name a Final Fantasy game, yes this is a Final Fantasy game, if you doubt me look at your game case, where BLM wasn't capable of casting elemental nukes? Let's see, they could do it in I, II, III, IV, V, IX, X, X-2, XI...gosh, how silly of us to "assume" anything. And the name of this thread is "who got conj so they could be a damage mage?" That means people are going to come on here to discuss why they chose CON and what they based their decision on. It's also pretty indicative that the people who post on this forum are going to say "yes, I got CON to be damage mage." It doesn't mean people can't see it being WHM. And it isn't a forum for you to tell people they're wrong and foolish because they don't agree with you, who by the way, has no actual foundation for his opinion. We might be assuming things, but so are you. I think we should just take a look really quick, for Black Mage conjurer has Thunder, Water, Aero, Blizzard, Fire, Stone, Thunder II, Water II, Aero II, Blizzard II, Fire II, Stone II, Burst, Flood, Tornado, Freeze, Flare, Quake, Shock, Drown, Choke, Rasp, Frost, Burn, Shock II, Drown II, Choke II, Rasp II, Frost II, Burn II, Siphon MP, Shock Spikes, Shock Spikes II, and Sleep. Conjurer for White Mage has Cure, Cure II, Cure III, Rebirth, Raise, Raise II, Shell, Protect, Shell II, Protect II, Repose, Stoneskin, Poisona, Paralyna and Silena. So that is 34 traditionally Black Mage spells to 15 traditionally White Mage spells. Not sure how your math is but, that means the majority of Conjurer's spells are traditional Black Mage spells.

[Klive]

Dude, what are you talking about? When have elemental nukes not been linked to BLM? RDM can cast them, but conversely RDM can also cast cure/protect/shell. I don't understand why you're "logic" of linking those spells to WHM is more valid than other's logic of linking nukes to BLM. Can you please name a Final Fantasy game, yes this is a Final Fantasy game, if you doubt me look at your game case, where BLM wasn't capable of casting elemental nukes? Let's see, they could do it in I, II, III, IV, V, IX, X, X-2, XI...gosh, how silly of us to "assume" anything. And the name of this thread is "who got conj so they could be a damage mage?" That means people are going to come on here to discuss why they chose CON and what they based their decision on. It's also pretty indicative that the people who post on this forum are going to say "yes, I got CON to be damage mage." It doesn't mean people can't see it being WHM. And it isn't a forum for you to tell people they're wrong and foolish because they don't agree with you, who by the way, has no actual foundation for his opinion. We might be assuming things, but so are you. I think we should just take a look really quick, for Black Mage conjurer has Thunder, Water, Aero, Blizzard, Fire, Stone, Thunder II, Water II, Aero II, Blizzard II, Fire II, Stone II, Burst, Flood, Tornado, Freeze, Flare, Quake, Shock, Drown, Choke, Rasp, Frost, Burn, Shock II, Drown II, Choke II, Rasp II, Frost II, Burn II, Siphon MP, Shock Spikes, Shock Spikes II, and Sleep. Conjurer for White Mage has Cure, Cure II, Cure III, Rebirth, Raise, Raise II, Shell, Protect, Shell II, Protect II, Repose, Stoneskin, Poisona, Paralyna and Silena. So that is 34 traditionally Black Mage spells to 15 traditionally White Mage spells. Not sure how your math is but, that means the majority of Conjurer's spells are traditional Black Mage spells.

Agreed, but most people seem stuck, nailed, and riveted to the CON having cure line and thus has to be white mage.

[Sypherblade]

Agreed, but most people seem stuck, nailed, and riveted to the CON having cure line and thus has to be white mage.

I agree with you 100% Klive. I leveled up both Con and Thm... and am so confused on why con got the curagas and thm didn't. Its pretty much priest vs wizard here and wizard got the healing spot.

Just waiting eagerly for the job system to come out an we see what the actual plans are...instead of speculating on what a few comments were x amount of days ago.

[Coglin]

please Albio, you appear very confussed. I never said traditionally have never been linked to BLM. That you read into my words on your own. Bring up every FF game you want. That does not garuntee it will be so in FFXIV. That was my point.

What I was getting at is the hipocrocy of posters like klive. It a little illogical that someone can say you can link a class to one job based on a set of spells it has, but you have to disreguard another set of spells that links them to another job because you say so.

Also, seems hipocritcal of yourself, klive, and others to whine that no one can tell you your wrong for the reasons they believe your wrong. just to have you post that they are wrong for thw reasons you think so.

Also your idea of what are BLM spells and what are WHM spells seems unknowledgably skewed. How many of the FF games you mention have you actually played. You claim the spell count is 34 to 15, when many of the spells you attributed to BLK mage belonged to other classes in some of those games, and some of them belonged to WHM in past FF games.

[Cicatriz]

The only way THM will get BLM is if in this Final Fantasy they make the Blackmage based on astral/umbral nukes instead of the traditional elemental spells, for as others have stated, all of the lore/cut-scenes/dialogues (unchangeable at this point) state that Conjurers are the elemental mages and Thaumaturge the astral/umbral mage. The only other option is for them to pull a major lolore like Blizzard which seems very unlikely to me.

That's why I think THM will get WHM, with spells and tiers beyond what CON gets, making them the best healer, but not as flexible as a CON who would still be able to nuke and such. And CON will get BLM, who will nuke better than both THM and CON, but again, it won't be as flexible and probably can't heal. That is what fits with their description of jobs vs classes - keeping classes useful for flexible situations and jobs for specific ones.

[Klive]

The only way THM will get BLM is if in this Final Fantasy they make the Blackmage based on astral/umbral nukes instead of the traditional elemental spells, for as others have stated, all of the lore/cut-scenes/dialogues (unchangeable at this point) state that Conjurers are the elemental mages and Thaumaturge the astral/umbral mage. The only other option is for them to pull a major lolore like Blizzard.

That's why I think THM will get WHM, with spells and tiers beyond what CON gets, making them the best healer, but not as flexible as a CON who would still be able to nuke and such. And CON will get BLM, who will nuke better than both THM and CON, but again, it won't be as flexible and probably can't heal. That is what fits with their description of jobs vs classes - keeping classes useful for flexible situations and jobs for specific ones.

Agreed, that is on the same lines of my thinking.