[SPOILERS] Minfillia' Fate in 3.2

[CyrilLucifer]

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That statement is so vague, you both have different interpretations, and I have a third.

I assumed the "we" was referring to both Zodiark and Hydaelyn. Again, balance, Astral, Umbral, waxing, waning. In the basal state, you can't do to one without having it done to the other. Separating Zodiark hurt Hydaelyn as much as it hurt Zodiark.

Edit: And to plug my own theory, I believe this is why Elidibus/his servant is aiding us with the Triad. Hydaelyn needs to continue existing for the initial state of the universe the Ascians seek to be restored.

[Berethos]

both[/I] Zodiark and Hydaelyn.

That's actually my assumption as well, and I think both your point about Umbral and Astral and the math of there being so many reflections and half the number of rejoinings strongly support that assumption.

[Fenral]

I assumed the "we" was referring to both Zodiark and Hydaelyn. Again, balance, Astral, Umbral, waxing, waning. In the basal state, you can't do to one without having it done to the other. Separating Zodiark hurt Hydaelyn as much as it hurt Zodiark.

I'm guessing that neither Hydaelyn nor Zodiark is right on what to do with the world. Zodiark wants to smash everything back together no matter what will be left in the ashes, Hydaelyn (seemingly) wants to keep the darkness banished forever by destroying the last of Zodiark's servants. The middle road I'm seeing is getting Hydaelyn and Zodiark to reconcile and merge willingly, somehow, or going full on SMT Neutral and killing both if they still refuse to cooperate.

Of course, the assumption I'm now working from is that mankind (or whatever mankind was before it became mankind) asked for the world to be sundered, resulting in opposing gods of Light and Darkness formed from some primordial being that consisted of both. Hydaelyn is only capable of acting according to the wish that gave her form, and Zodiark is only capable of behaving according to the nature he was created to represent. Neither is really a complete being on their own.

[CyrilLucifer]

I'm guessing that neither Hydaelyn nor Zodiark is right on what to do with the world. Zodiark wants to smash everything back together no matter what will be left in the ashes, Hydaelyn (seemingly) wants to keep the darkness banished forever by destroying the last of Zodiark's servants. The middle road I'm seeing is getting Hydaelyn and Zodiark to reconcile and merge willingly, somehow, or going full on SMT Neutral and killing both if they still refuse to cooperate.

I agree, I think the separation continues to hurt both of them and, at some point, it's going to need to be fixed because the world as it is remains unstable, likely even without Ascian interference. We're fighting a losing battle because we're essentially fighting against the laws of the universe.

The middle road is definitely what I'm hoping we go for in some way, assuming it is possible. It would be nice to not work in such white and black extremes. I'm not sure if we'll go full SMT, that's a bit outside of XIV's targeted audience age range in Japan, but we can at least hope. I've lost enough of my favorite characters, don't make me lose Cutest and Second Best Ascian too, SE.

[Nalien]

We're fighting a losing battle because we're essentially fighting against the laws of the universe.

Are we?

I know the Ascians keep claiming Hydaelyn is some problematic entity that is slowly eroding reality, but have we ever actually seen anything indicating that's not simply their opinion? If they remember some previous existence, then obviously this new one would be "wrong" to them.

All damage we've seen can be traced back directly to Ascians... All the pretend damage Primals cause to reality just by being? Lets not forget who facilitated their summonings in the first place... Hydaelyn is essentially powerless and dead now, despite our best efforts? That is what Lahabrea planned for with Ultima...

I see no indication that Hydaelyn existing is somehow detrimental... Not to us anyway, all the conflict and strife seems to stem solely from the Ascians... This honestly just seems like a twist on FFIV (and FFIX) to me, just rather than evil moonmen, we have... Evil moonmen... OK, well Ascians are from a time before time, rather than literally from space, but they've been lumped on the moon because nothing good ever came from the moon in Final Fantasy... We've got the same sort of mentality Zeromus (and Garland!) had with the whole "Your world and lives don't matter, we'll sacrifice them for our goals"... Kidibus is hopefully Mikoto, Elidibus is maybe Kuja... Shame we got no Fusoya style character... I suspect there is a reason Heavensward is heavy on the FFIV and IX references though... Baron gear, wind-up Kain and Spoony Bard... Alexander... Tantalus outfit... Gigi... Then there is that big old FFVI reference, a game which centered around a nihilistic clown with the heroes declaring that it doesn't matter if everything dies, it's the day to day of their lives that matter...