The curious case of Healer Hall of Novice

[Alahra]

I did think it was a little strange they didn't give you some sort of pseudo party member when I ran through this to pick up the gear skins. I always found it fairly frustrating in the class and job quests, too, as I don't normally play with my hand on the mouse (relying on Function keys for heal targeting).

[Rhaeami]

Honestly, these quests are meant to demonstrate the really basic ideas of healing a party. Things like, for instance, not using attack magic if your tank is wounded, or standing somewhere other than right next to everyone else where AoEs will hurt everybody. The biggest thing lost by having NPC allies instead of some sort of fake party member (which would most definitely be a programming nightmare based on what devs have said here before about other features) is the ability to use special targeting techniques like pressing up/down on a controller, or having your filters set up a certain way. Very helpful, even important for most players, but you learn that stuff quick and it's a personal thing.

So, I think it's okay the way they did it, and they got across the points they needed to. However, I will say that the difference between healing players and healing NPCs would have been a perfect candidate for that extra tips book in the lobby.

[Fynlar]

Both DPS are hit with a powerful attack. You and the tank are fine. An unavoidable AoE hits in two seconds. What do you cast?

You shouldn't be using an AoE heal to heal two targets anyway except maybe in dire emergencies, as it's hella inefficient -- so as far as I'm concerned it was doing the right thing by not encouraging you to do so.

No scenario like the one you present introduces itself in the training stages. If you're saying that there should have been one that does, that would be another story.

[Noxifer]

No, normally you shouldn't need to, but in one of those tutorials, you have the tank taking damage from one mob, and the dps taking damage from another mob. In an actual party, the tank should in most cases pick up the add and deal with both of them (unless it's a matter of 'this add dies in four hits, it's fiiiine' type of situations). It was by no means impossible to keep them both up, but that in combination with the whole 'not in your party list, you have to click on them manually' meant it took longer than it should have to switch between them and... yeah. I'd have liked to have thrown out at least one Medica during that specific lesson. I'd at least have liked to have been able to do so.

I haven't tried doing them as a synched scholar yet (since my scholar is 60 so I wouldn't get those few thousand exp on it), but I'm fairly sure this also means you wouldn't be able to benefit from your fairy healing either of them. Admittedly, this isn't really going to be a problem since a new player won't have a scholar by the time they get to those tutorials; it's just something that piques my curiosity ^^
(There's a reason why I have an alt named Lethal Curiosity...)

As a side note, I find it slightly amusing that these situations mainly concern new players and (presumably) lower level duties, since that's who the tutorials are primarily aimed at. And when asked what they would do if several people in the party were low on health, people in this thread respond with saying they'd use high-level healing skills ^^;

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Please tell me there's at least a line in there along the lines of.

"If your party is in no imminent danger, and you're comfortable, tossing out a couple of damaging spells could really help!"

There is. Don't remember exactly, but something along the lines of "absolutely nothing wrong about throwing out some damage: do it if you have time. just don't do it if people's health is getting low D: your primary task is healing, not damage".

[CosmicKirby]

Please tell me there's at least a line in there along the lines of.

"If your party is in no imminent danger, and you're comfortable, tossing out a couple of damaging spells could really help!"

Just, anything suggesting it would be great. Because easing someone into the idea a bit as they level up will make them so much better and more comfortable with it in later content where it's typically more difficult to do.

[Chiramu]

They need more cleric stance dancing + watching HP bar practice .

[Reinha]

Please tell me there's at least a line in there along the lines of.

"If your party is in no imminent danger, and you're comfortable, tossing out a couple of damaging spells could really help!"

Just, anything suggesting it would be great. Because easing someone into the idea a bit as they level up will make them so much better and more comfortable with it in later content where it's typically more difficult to do.

Here's the exact quote:



I couldn't believe SE put those words in a training mode at such an early level so I had to take a screenshot for proof.

As a side note, I find it slightly amusing that these situations mainly concern new players and (presumably) lower level duties, since that's who the tutorials are primarily aimed at. And when asked what they would do if several people in the party were low on health, people in this thread respond with saying they'd use high-level healing skills ^^;

On the other hand, no such scenario happens before higher levels so using higher level skills is possible and expected in that specific scenario.

[BorisDaBlade]

My biggest gripe with it is the lack of a party list. It is supposed to teach you about instance healing and you have a party list when in any 4 or 8 man content. Using a ps4 controller as a healer with no party list is a huge pain. There is no reason SE couldn't do this with the novice hall.

[BorisDaBlade]

Which is the entire OP complaint, I need to read better first thing in the morning lol

[TheRogueX]

Yeah, my point in this wasn't whether you should or shouldn't use AoE heals, but that they don't give you access to all the tools in your toolbox. It limits overall versatility.

Also, the Healer training doesn't teach how to cure debuffs. I know that is unfortunately intentional, since SCH doesn't get Leeches until late, but it's still rather annoying.

Tank and DPS training gives full access to all of their abilities, but healer is gimped... and healers are so very important that they should have additional higher-level training somewhere.