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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutemutt View Post
    To be fair, 4.6k is more than half the average non-tank life bar. And wasn't it able to be done twice in a row pretty often too? You make it sound so small but that's a huge number.
    Lmao, no. Not since Seal Rock first dropped does the average good player stand around and eat 2 fell cleaves. The Warrior burst was originally to SE combo(brutal Swing after Maim)>Fracture>Full Swing>HolmGang>Pop Veng, IR, RI, Berserk > FellCleave>Infuriate>Fell Cleave>Pray to Twleve you can Mercy stroke and Heavy Swing to finish off. People got wise and learned to Purify after HolmGang to peel the Fracture, Full swing, and Holmgang, leaving us standing there with our... "axe" in our hand.

    So it changed to SE Combo(Brutal Swing)>Berserk>Infuriate>IR>FullSwing>Holmgang>Fell Cleave and pray to the twelve you had some support to cover the extra numbers missed and that 5k Fell Cleave brought your target into range to Mercy Stroke>Tomahawk them down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    Lmao, no. Not since Seal Rock first dropped does the average good player stand around and eat 2 fell cleaves. The Warrior burst was originally to SE combo(brutal Swing after Maim)>Fracture>Full Swing>HolmGang>Pop Veng, IR, RI, Berserk > FellCleave>Infuriate>Fell Cleave>Pray to Twleve you can Mercy stroke and Heavy Swing to finish off. People got wise and learned to Purify after HolmGang to peel the Fracture, Full swing, and Holmgang, leaving us standing there with our... "axe" in our hand.
    So it was purify holmgang or get double fell cleaved? I don't see how that really changed much of what I said, but ok. I'm just saying half someone's hp worth of damage is pretty big for one move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutemutt View Post
    So it was purify holmgang or get double fell cleaved? I don't see how that really changed much of what I said, but ok. I'm just saying half someone's hp worth of damage is pretty big for one move.
    It did, for one; a 4.6k fell cleave was, again, a crit chance so rngesus had to be on your side. Again the burst took at least 15 seconds of non-interrupted hits and required melee range, so you are being hyperbolic by stating it was easy for a Warrior to effectively down someone from 100-0% when it wasn't, and now it's even harder with our AP nerfed down by roughly 30%; a well placed Regen with two timed ticks between our CD pops could effectively negate our burst, or even an opposite team's Warrior pop Thrill of War effs us completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    It did, for one; a 4.6k fell cleave was, again, a crit chance so rngesus had to be on your side. Again the burst took at least 15 seconds of non-interrupted hits and required melee range, so you are being hyperbolic by stating it was easy for a Warrior to effectively down someone from 100-0% when it wasn't, and now it's even harder with our AP nerfed down by roughly 30%; a well placed Regen with two timed ticks between our CD pops could effectively negate our burst, or even an opposite team's Warrior pop Thrill of War effs us completely.
    Whoa there buddy, I didn't even really mention anything about how difficult it was to do. I only said that 4.6k is a big amount of damage when it amounts to half someone's hp and that you could possibly do it twice in a row. And I only used that number because that's what the person I quoted mentioned and seemed to write off as being tiny.

    I mean really, fire IV can hit for 4k+ and is really troublesome to actually use in frontline (and will be effectively impossible in feast, I'm sure), but I'm not going "yeah, fire IV nukes people for over half their health on the regular bases. No big deal; they can just walk it off". That's a lot of damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutemutt View Post
    Whoa there buddy,I didn't even really mention anything about how difficult it was to do. I only said that 4.6k is a big amount of damage when it amounts to half someone's hp and that you could possibly do it twice in a row.
    <.< 0.o smh

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutemutt View Post
    To be fair, 4.6k is more than half the average non-tank life bar. And wasn't it able to be done twice in a row pretty often too? You make it sound so small but that's a huge number.
    ok, "buddy", all I was doing was expanding on what you were stating, and no, 4k is not high when you account the setup to initiate 1-2 4k hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    <.< 0.o smh

    ok, "buddy", all I was doing was expanding on what you were stating, and no, 4k is not high when you account the setup to initiate 1-2 4k hits.
    Sorry but when you start your reply off with "lmao, no", you're not really setting the best tone yourself.

    I don't agree with the other bit you say about the damage, but I don't really feel like talking about it anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutemutt View Post
    Sorry but when you start your reply off with "lmao, no", you're not really setting the best tone yourself.

    I don't agree with the other bit you say about the damage, but I don't really feel like talking about it anymore.
    Your compliance is subjective at best, but objectively what I stated about damage is true.

    and the Lmao was because I actually found what you said funny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    ok, "buddy", all I was doing was expanding on what you were stating, and no, 4k is not high when you account the setup to initiate 1-2 4k hits.
    SE combo(brutal Swing after Maim)>Fracture>Full Swing>HolmGang>Pop Veng, IR, RI, Berserk > FellCleave>Infuriate>Fell Cleave>Pray to Twleve you can Mercy stroke and Heavy Swing to finish off
    SE Combo(Brutal Swing)>Berserk>Infuriate>IR>FullSwing>Holmgang>Fell Cleave and pray to the twelve you had some support to cover the extra numbers missed and that 5k Fell Cleave brought your target into range to Mercy Stroke>Tomahawk them down.
    What? You're giving your target way too much notice that you are trying to burst, especially with the holmgang'ing and early full swing, everyone purifies that if its up.

    It's really not that big of a setup, unless you're accounting all the GCDs it takes to build Wrath stacks? Something that can be accomplished in one combo. The actual Warrior burst starts either on the Storm's Eye or the first Fell Cleave, depending on what you are trying to do. Just build combo on the way to target or on target(Seal Rock assumption) SE -> FS -> FC -> BS -> FC [-> MS -> MT for extra credit] (BS before FC sometimes) Done. Burst accomplishedl. Don't need to waste Holmgang. Buffs should be before burst, if being sneaky, just before Fell Cleave.

    This back before 3.2, would outright kill someone, now you have to bank of crits, which is better imo.

    Let's not act like Warrior ever had some type of complexity. Reminding me of the Dragoon 50 button rotation that never existed.
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    Last edited by Houston009; 02-29-2016 at 04:01 AM.