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    Quote Originally Posted by Holland View Post
    You can still Rent a chocobo with any class at level 10. No one is getting excluded. SE is saying: if you want a faster/unlimited Chocobo here is the compromise: Level up a Battle class to 25.
    Yes, because renting a chocobo grants you the same benefits, right? The most important of which is being able to summon it anywhere, not merely in town, leaving you without a chocobo once you dismount. Do you have any idea how much more efficiently someone could gather if they did not have to slowly run to every nod? Yet, you cannot use a rental chocobo for this, now can you?

    I am starting to think you are making up you arguments. Either way, I thought you leveled your classes to Craft and Fish, not to ride chocobos.
    I thought you leveled a battle class to fight, not ride chocobos? Oh, but wait, a chocobo will make your experience more convenient? Well, guess what? It will make ours more convenient also. I actually cannot think of a better use for chocobos right now than gathering.

    Please, give me one reason why allowing DoH/L to obtain a personal chocobo would negatively affect you as a battle class?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invalice_Vangaurd View Post
    I thought you leveled a battle class to fight, not ride chocobos? Oh, but wait, a chocobo will make your experience more convenient? Well, guess what? It will make ours more convenient also. I actually cannot think of a better use for chocobos right now than gathering.

    Please, give me one reason why allowing DoH/L to obtain a personal chocobo would negatively affect you as a battle class?
    We levelled a battle class to fight, yes. Now SE is giving us GC issue battle chocobos to battle with in the future.

    Nobody is disagreeing that GC issue chocobos are not the same as rentals; they are clearly better. The point that rentals exist simply make your argument that chocobos are universal content moot.

    It is not about allowing DoL/H to obtain personal issue chocobos effecting battle classes. It is about SE clearly wanting players to level battle classes in order to fully experience the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    We levelled a battle class to fight, yes. Now SE is giving us GC issue battle chocobos to battle with in the future.

    Nobody is disagreeing that GC issue chocobos are not the same as rentals; they are clearly better. The point that rentals exist simply make your argument that chocobos are universal content moot.

    It is not about allowing DoL/H to obtain personal issue chocobos effecting battle classes. It is about SE clearly wanting players to level battle classes in order to fully experience the game.
    And yet everyone does not want to level a battle class. Do they think that excluding players from an already small player base is going to help this game succeed? I understand not catering equally to DoH/L, because it waters down the content, as we can see with the main story line quests. However, there is no content to water down here. There is no reason why an alternative method could not have been implemented— 12000 (or more even) guild marks and a prerequisite of finishing the level 36 class quest. Seems pretty simple to me, and that’s without much thought put into it. I’m sure a game developer could figure something out fairly easily.

    Only allowing us to rent a mount, which must be accessed in town and then disappears once you get off of it, is ridiculous. I do not care if my chocobo can fight or whatever, I just want a regular mount, that I can access when I need it. You know, like every other modern MMO offers its players? I can understand rentals for lower level classes, but many of us have put just as much effort (if not more) into leveling our classes than some of those who play battle classes, and yet we are being excluding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invalice_Vangaurd View Post
    And yet everyone does not want to level a battle class. Do they think that excluding players from an already small player base is going to help this game succeed?
    Excluding all 10 players that fall into that category will not impact the playerbase. It is a window into what is to come. They are basically"if you do not want to rank battle classes, you may find yourself excluded from some content." saying


    Quote Originally Posted by Konachibi View Post
    I love how my posts have some validity to them but people pretend they aren't there so they can keep argueing >.>'
    I know the feeling.
    Often times it's not even about the topic. People just want to argue until they turn out right.
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    Last edited by NoctisUmbra; 09-29-2011 at 07:27 AM.

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    You're not being excluded from anything. You get the same reward for the same work as everyone else. The Chocobos aren't being handed out as a prize to those who have worked hard... they are for a purpose.

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    <in-character mode on>

    I'd like to say something else too, in relation to the concept that some folks only craft and don't have any battle classes worked up: when the Garleans are marching up to the gate, we're not going to need people to mend trousers. We'll need people to fight. So pick up a goddamn weapon and learn to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn View Post
    I'd like to say something else too, in relation to the concept that some folks only craft and don't have any battle classes worked up: when the Garleans are marching up to the gate, we're not going to need people to mend trousers. We'll need people to fight. So pick up a goddamn weapon and learn to use it.
    They could poke them with needles and throw rocks at them until they run away crying (b'.')b

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invalice_Vangaurd View Post
    Yes, because renting a chocobo grants you the same benefits, right? The most important of which is being able to summon it anywhere, not merely in town, leaving you without a chocobo once you dismount. Do you have any idea how much more efficiently someone could gather if they did not have to slowly run to every nod? Yet, you cannot use a rental chocobo for this, now can you?



    I thought you leveled a battle class to fight, not ride chocobos? Oh, but wait, a chocobo will make your experience more convenient? Well, guess what? It will make ours more convenient also. I actually cannot think of a better use for chocobos right now than gathering.

    Please, give me one reason why allowing DoH/L to obtain a personal chocobo would negatively affect you as a battle class?
    You decided to ommit my second statement =/

    SE is asking to level up a battle class to 25 if you want the luxury of calling a personal chocobo anywhere. The same way they are asking you to level up a craft up to 18 if you want to attach Materia. It is simply that, a compromise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holland View Post
    You decided to ommit my second statement =/

    SE is asking to level up a battle class to 25 if you want the luxury of calling a personal chocobo anywhere. The same way they are asking you to level up a craft up to 18 if you want to attach Materia. It is simply that, a compromise.
    No, it's not, because you can have other people attach materia to your items, yet I cannot have other players give me a personal chocobo now can I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invalice_Vangaurd View Post
    No, it's not, because you can have other people attach materia to your items, yet I cannot have other players give me a personal chocobo now can I?
    ; ; It has already been stated you can do just that. In the same way I can pay someone to attach Materia, I can pay someone to power level me up to 25.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikozaemon View Post
    Thanks for the 5 ifrits canes Yoshi i can build a life raft and use them to float to another mmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invalice_Vangaurd View Post
    Please, give me one reason why allowing DoH/L to obtain a personal chocobo would negatively affect you as a battle class?
    I can honestly say it would not affect me in the least. The issue is, your statement is based on what this game was founded when it was released: "If you want, you can simply level Leatherworker and experience everything the game has to offer" which is no longer the case. New players will not see DoL/DoH classes as an option to experience everything the game has to offer and that includes Personal Chocobos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikozaemon View Post
    Thanks for the 5 ifrits canes Yoshi i can build a life raft and use them to float to another mmo.

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