Paladin's TP Issue

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I think ppl should run out of tp
So it's actually a resource

Reduce equilibrium to 100 tp

The thing is, TP isn't really a resource. It's just a time limit set on you for how long you can fight. If TP was redesigned so that way it was actually a resource, like Energy or Focus in WoW, then it was be more interesting gameplay. It's just frustrating to go past your little combat timer and then having your GCD increased to 3 sec to match the TP refresh rate. Its a boring mechanic and frustrating mechanic. Its fine to punish players if a fight is going longer then intended, but not in this way lol.

10 TP per hit would put it in the same place WAR is, where they gain TP over time.

Honestly, the best would be to give PLD a DoT that uses MP. It adds an opportunity cost to spamming Clemency and fixes the TP issue for single target. The only problem is it needs an animation.

Yes, if you cast heals or shields you probably can sustain your TP, but does it make sense to balance the job assuming you'll be assisting in healing? Not really. The potency lost in SwO is so great that it'll almost always be better for the healers to pick up the slack and they'll always tune the content for 2 healers' output, not 2+1. As MT casts will still cancel...Paladin's healing will always be an emergency thing, not part of the core rotation so TP consumption must be balanced without factoring it in.

As for a DoT, I was thinking along the lines of recycling an old animation and making it PLD's version of Scourge. 500 potency of light or wind damage that costs MP to use. Alternatively, the MP could be blown on a big AoE skill, but I personally think that if PLD ever does get an AoE it might be better for it to be TP-based to encourage Flash use.

I disagree with a new spell/animation. PLD doesn't need new spells and adding more and more spells is just going to give us an ability bloat problem. We already kinda suffer from ability bloat althought its not really bad atm. Tying AoE to Flash is a great way to encourage Flash use, AoE doesn't have to be TP based.

I'm actually on board with the idea of changing the enhanced version of Flash to a DoT. Something along the lines of "Searing rays of light is causing damage over time!" Example: 30 potency tic for 15 sec, ala Circle of Scorn. This would actually force us to incorporate an MP-based skill into our rotation, which in turn would ease the strain on our otherwise constantly stressed TP.

I'm not an ideas man, but I think this would work.

EDIT: Thinking about it, I get reminded of Fracture. As Flash is on the GCD, this idea would just be a dps loss wouldn't it? Curses...

It wouldn't be a DPS loss, the reason Fracture is a DPS loss is because of how little damage it does over its short duration, not to mention it has an outrageous TP cost for its effect.

Make the Flash trait baseline, then replace the old Flash trait with a 30 sec DoT with potency of 30. (300 over 30 sec)

Fixed TP issue cuz you're forced to flash every 30 seconds so you'll last much longer

Fixed AoE DPS issues PLD has, especially before CoS at level 50

Gave PLD a little DPS buff to make them on par with other tank DPS

Made PLD rotation a little more interesting with Flash for single target

I don't take credit for this, found this suggestion on FF14 Reddit lol

Pretty good I think, solves multiple issues in 1 simple change. Doesn't effect cross class either.

Just quoting myself from the first page to get more visibility, (not sure if you saw it or came up with same idea) but I really think that Flash trait I mentioned is the best fix. We use Flash anyways on AoE packs, and forcing its use on single target would extend the duration we fight for such a long time. Basically every 30 seconds, we get 60 TP back. (Not really but kinda)
No reason to be against this change. I think the only argument by adding damage to Flash is it'll break CC, but you shouldn't be tanking by cc'd mobs anyways (other players' AoEs will break it), and I don't know if a DoT would even break CC. I think people just got attached to having an ability that does threat but no damage (not sure why). If it's too strong, it can be balanced, but the idea is there and I think its a great one to knock off multiple issues with PLD in 1 simple trait fix.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...abilities_can/

I think that was the reddit post that gave me the idea. I don't remember whether or not I originally found it there (people tend to repeat good ideas lol)

[Torunya]

Having been through Midas NM with a co-tank Paladin, I can safely say that we both ran out of TP fairly easily. That part felt incredibly limiting and wasn't really fun. Not to mention I still cry whenever I die, since it means my TP will have flatlined upon Raise. I wouldn't care if Flash got a DoT trait or if I could cross class Invigorate at this point. Just give me something SE! ;^;

It wouldn't be a DPS loss

Thanks, I feel better now. xD

[Sevyrr]

I think the only argument by adding damage to Flash is it'll break CC, but you shouldn't be tanking by cc'd mobs anyways (other players' AoEs will break it), and I don't know if a DoT would even break CC.

I've tested this with Bio and Sleep.
Applying a DoT to a CC'd target (Sleep/Bind most notably, as they're the only ones to wear off when taking damage) will break the CC.
But if the DoT is applied before the CC they still suffer damage from the ticks without breaking the CC. (So DoT + Bane + Blizz II will get you bound and dying mobs.)

Otherwise, I think that adding a DoT trait to Flash would be a brilliant solution to TP management.
It gives a reason to use Flash as OT Paladin, gives more utility to every tank using Flash (Although Blind isn't always useful, it can be in mass dungeon pulls), and hits two birds for Paladins: TP sustain and AoE DPS. (Both of which Paladin lack.)