More gender locked gear.

[Kukajoo]

the gender locks are kind of dissatisfying honestly
in a perfect world square would stop releasing genderlocked gear and just let us dress our men in well, dresses

[Serilda]

As you can see here, the Expeditioner's Set for male characters doesn’t appear to have gloves in the first place. So, by looking at it from that aspect, it’s not like they forgot the gloves for the set, but rather the set didn’t include gloves for males.

You could say that the set that’s currently available is not a mistake, but “by design”.

Shouldn't we get to decide that? The 'no glove' effect is accessible by players with female characters too, yet we only have one option and two fewer glamour items to add to the huge backlog of female-biased glamour options already in the game. I maintain that there should be a warning on character creation that male characters will be much more limited with glamour later in the game so that new players aren't under the false impression that the design team are going to be treating them fairly.

[Evangela]

I don't care if they're going to allow men to wear feminine gears but please release more feminine gears like skirts. Most of the endgame leg parts nowadays are long trousers because when they make a skirt, male players complain that they have to wear skirts.

[Critical-Limit]

I don't care if they're going...

I agree but I think men only complain if their for example "lore gear" or high end gear gives them feminie clothes. Male players weren't happy with ESO SMN and WhM gear. And now upset at tank gear.

And when girls get like 5 new glamour items restricted to us. And they only get 1. They feel like they're being mistreated and I think just letting them wear our stuff isn't satisfying enough. Because even if girly glamour was made so everyone can wear it. Plenty of people who play man characters will STILL see it as gender catering because they specifically want to look masculine.

So now it seems like SE is gonna make random items gender locked just to meet the quota of "we made it equal" you got 3 items they got 3 items

[Aldora]

Shouldn't we get to decide that?

Aren’t we already? I mean, we get to decide how we want to dress ourselves by using the Glamour system. So, if you want to wear gloves with that set, why wouldn’t you simply wear the ones you’d like with that set?

That doesn’t change the fact that in this case, the design of the male version of the Expeditioner's Set did not include any gloves. However, you are free to wear gloves if you want to. It’s not that the game doesn’t have a small assortment of gloves to choose from.

The 'no glove' effect is accessible by players with female characters too, yet we only have one option and two fewer glamour items to add to the huge backlog of female-biased glamour options already in the game.

I’m sorry, that’s an opinion i don’t share.

I’ve read a few of your posts where you point out that female characters have more options to choose from and i don’t deny that. What i don’t share is the opinion that there is a “huge backlog of female-biased glamour options”. I know you will not agree with me on this, which is fine, but when looking at the amount of clothing options the game has, the amount of “female-biased glamour options” aren’t as huge as you make them to be.

But, like i said. That’s my opinion.

I maintain that there should be a warning on character creation that male characters will be much more limited with glamour later in the game so that new players aren't under the false impression that the design team are going to be treating them fairly.

Why should there be a warning on the character creation that male characters will be limited on the glamour items? I’m fairly sure that most of the male characters in the game don’t really care much about gender specific clothing. They go through the list of items they can wear and pick what they think fits their character most.

There will always be gender specific gear. What Zhexos said back then, was that they team would introduce more male specific gear to the game. Here you have a Expeditioner's Set, which has a version which is exclusive for each gender.

However, it’s still up to the FFXIV team how they will design each individual set. It’s up to the players how they would be using the set, by mixing and matching their outfit based on the available glamours.

The item you want to glamour isn’t available? There’s no harm in requesting it. But, requesting that they need to add a warning to the character creation that either gender is “limited in their options” is (pardon my english) a bit sad.

[Jeibird]

Summoner Artifact Set

i acknowledge that im probably in the one percent here, but i just wanted to chime in that i absolutely LOVE the summoner set. before 3.2 when esos where still esos and not the new lawstones, i craved the set but couldnt justify getting it because i almost never played summoner(scholar got more use)

it has everything i personally love. its baroque, its sleek, its colorful, its flowy,its androgynous, IT HAS WINGS

needless to say im very happy now that we're hemorrhaging eso

[Ultear_Milkovich]

I don't care if they're going to allow men to wear feminine gears but please release more feminine gears like skirts. Most of the endgame leg parts nowadays are long trousers because when they make a skirt, male players complain that they have to wear skirts.

Agreed also need more feminine shoes

[Aryalandi]

I am of the personal opinion that they should simply make male/female versions of everything, i mean they could have done that with the guardian corps outfit Lightning wears, there is a male version of it in her game, and why can my miqo'te not wear snows trench coat and bandanna?

So glad the new hairstyles were not gender exclusive (the spikey one especially, I've been begging forever for a true spikey female hairstyle that wasn't Lightnings, thank you SE)

In some cases maybe it makes sense, seeing guys run around in speedos is kind of much.. but oddly placed gender locks i don't understand.. like why can't males and females both wear the oasis MGP outfit? o.o

[Eul]

I just realized male lore tank gear is corsets!

[Serilda]

Aren’t we already? I mean, we get to decide how we want to dress ourselves by using the Glamour system. So, if you want to wear gloves with that set, why wouldn’t you simply wear the ones you’d like with that set?

And if the ones I want are the matching ones that were designed for use with that set, and there's no fundamental difference between a man's hands and a woman's, why are we being locked out for no reason? There's no male-only equivalent to these gloves. I will freely admit that gloves aren't the be-all and end-all of my fashion choices, but almost every major patch since 2.2 has added gender-locked items in a ratio which favours players with female characters. The vast majority of these items aren't especially feminine in the slightest, and the community team has repeatedly acknowledged the imbalance and passed our wishes on to the design team. Yet it keeps happening - and in a way which is so ridiculous I'd take it for parody if I didn't know better.

I’ve read a few of your posts where you point out that female characters have more options to choose from and i don’t deny that. What i don’t share is the opinion that there is a “huge backlog of female-biased glamour options”. I know you will not agree with me on this, which is fine, but when looking at the amount of clothing options the game has, the amount of “female-biased glamour options” aren’t as huge as you make them to be.

You're entitled to your opinion but I respectfully strongly disagree. We're up to 23 items more for players with female characters, which isn't a huge amount if you consider every item in the game but it's a large amount when you consider we pay the same subscription fees and that all of these items are specifically for glamour, not just arbitrary low level dungeon sets. When the gap keeps growing in one direction with each new batch of glamour items, it doesn't take a great deal of paranoia to read the writing on the wall. Especially when it's just a pair of gloves (two, actually) and female characters effectively have access to both the 'female version' and the 'male version' of the sets. If this was about integrity of design, the female players would have no gloves either and their version of the top would automatically cover the hands.

Why should there be a warning on the character creation that male characters will be limited on the glamour items? I’m fairly sure that most of the male characters in the game don’t really care much about gender specific clothing. They go through the list of items they can wear and pick what they think fits their character most.

Because they charge money to change gender (and in cases like mine, a name change would also be needed if I did; I'm not going to). The preferential treatment for female characters began in 2.2, and they keep sending messages implying that it will be addressed - yet it isn't, and in fact they just keep making it worse. If this is an actual policy then it's only fair to communicate it; nobody knows that aesthetic choices made in character creation actually limit your access to the same treatment later on. To you it's not important that we don't get to be excited about as many new glamour sets per patch. Others have a different outlook.

There will always be gender specific gear. What Zhexos said back then, was that they team would introduce more male specific gear to the game. Here you have a Expeditioner's Set, which has a version which is exclusive for each gender.

Sorry, are we supposed to be happy about being treated not quite as badly as we could have been?