Are there more tanks playing now?

[RecklessLion]

What do people expect as a healer honestly?.

I don't know the game became picky lately or always been. Its like damn if you do damn if you don't. Sadly most people play to get carried anyway so you might of got the healer that's not trying or the one that's too picky. Duty finder will put you all sorts. Good or bad or both.

[RecklessLion]

It's a 20% cut. You're going to get back to your old numbers when you finish collecting the next tier of gear. Nothing's really changed at all.

Not really....if the level of the content remained the same then yes you're right. It's not sure we may see the same numbers eventually and end gear will have everyone in a uproar again but it's about trying to please the casuals....which is hard because casual don't even play hard content bexcuse of difficulties but quick to say how their class holds them back and all.

[P4X0R10N]

It's a 20% cut. You're going to get back to your old numbers when you finish collecting the next tier of gear. Nothing's really changed at all.

But wouldn't everyone else's damage go up as well? As well as content difficulty? What about PVP where everything is item synched? It feels gawd aweful in pvp as a tank right now... I ran into someone earlier who I always notice do around 100k+ as a tank regularly in frontlines.. I've noticed that his damage is now only around 80 or so? Seems to confirm your 20% cut figures... but you know.. in pvp tanks don't really have a defining role... right now it seeems, as a warrior, I just run around and use thrill of war or limit break when its up... that's it... thats about as far as my usefulness goes... = (

at least before I got some satisfaction from finishing off enemies with a big crit.

and what about summoners? They got a buff when theyre alreadydoing like 300-350k damage in pvp cuz all their attacks are massive aoes... I thought this was the pvp patch? How come pvp is worse now than it was previously...

[Sarcatica]

So, before 3.2, people complain about STR tanks. Now, people complain about whatever freaking reason? All the more reasons to give the boots to shit DPSers because they can't do their overdue DPS, THAT We tanks were trying so hard to carry your weight, maintaining aggro, doing mechanics AND doing huge DPS.

I'd say it's a good change to see how easy it is to spot shit DPS. Been too long that DPS think they get a free pass, doing 400dps (equivalent of what they should be doing in lvl50)

[Edewen]

Im really curious about these threat issues people are claiming to have? Are they not in tank stance? are they still trying to play like a dpser? Bc i know in shield oath i didnt need to RoH once to hold single target, RA spam while keeping up goring

[Hayward]

Will this be enough seats for all the DPS who are hopping off the tanking bandwagon now that defense has taken its proper position on the priority list?

[Ironos]

Im really curious about these threat issues people are claiming to have? Are they not in tank stance? are they still trying to play like a dpser? Bc i know in shield oath i didnt need to RoH once to hold single target, RA spam while keeping up goring

Single Target? Sure. AoE, or split melee DPS have given me issues when they're good DPS. Had a MNK in the Antitower creep up on me during trash pulls more often than I'm used to.

[Hayward]

Im really curious about these threat issues people are claiming to have? Are they not in tank stance? are they still trying to play like a dpser? Bc i know in shield oath i didnt need to RoH once to hold single target, RA spam while keeping up goring

I can say for certain that I rarely have difficulty maintaining hate as long as I don't have to contend with more than 5 enemies at once. Adding enmity to Savage Blade makes things that much easier to keep their eyes on me.

Otherwise, it would be useful to know whether there are item level differences at play in these anecdotes.

[Edewen]

Single Target? Sure. AoE, or split melee DPS have given me issues when they're good DPS. Had a MNK in the Antitower creep up on me during trash pulls more often than I'm used to.

For pally, aoe threat is easy. A joke even.

Of course Im in shield oath. And I know people will say its wasteful blah blah but it works.

Start every pull with either rampart or conv because you don't want to be THAT guy. Then Flash spam. Do this until you are about 2k mp. 4-5 flashes. You should have solid threat o all mobs until they die from that point. Then just tab target goring blade combo to multi dot. You will end the pull at full mp ready for the next pull.

And to be clear, my pallys ilvl is only now at 193 with a 210 weapon, holding against much higher dps.

[Ironos]

For pally, aoe threat is easy. A joke even.

That wasn't my point, and flash spam is never, ever good advice as it does literally nothing productive aside from holding aggro. And if, like I said, you have two mDPS single targeting two different targets, you will lose your threat lead through just flash spam.

I'm not a moron (and I'd appreciate it if you didn't treat me so), and haven't lost aggro, but you can't deny that our aggro generation is noticeably worse now. Besides, before 3.2 you'd need maybe 1 or 2 flashes (in full STR) to hold aggro, the fact that you're suggesting 4-5 kind of proves my point.

Also, aoe enmity is easy for all tanks. PLD actually has the worst of it since Flash can't crit, doesn't scale with FoF, and is undesirable due to its lack of damage.