Are there more tanks playing now?

[Ironos]

Im really curious about these threat issues people are claiming to have? Are they not in tank stance? are they still trying to play like a dpser? Bc i know in shield oath i didnt need to RoH once to hold single target, RA spam while keeping up goring

Single Target? Sure. AoE, or split melee DPS have given me issues when they're good DPS. Had a MNK in the Antitower creep up on me during trash pulls more often than I'm used to.

[Edewen]

Single Target? Sure. AoE, or split melee DPS have given me issues when they're good DPS. Had a MNK in the Antitower creep up on me during trash pulls more often than I'm used to.

For pally, aoe threat is easy. A joke even.

Of course Im in shield oath. And I know people will say its wasteful blah blah but it works.

Start every pull with either rampart or conv because you don't want to be THAT guy. Then Flash spam. Do this until you are about 2k mp. 4-5 flashes. You should have solid threat o all mobs until they die from that point. Then just tab target goring blade combo to multi dot. You will end the pull at full mp ready for the next pull.

And to be clear, my pallys ilvl is only now at 193 with a 210 weapon, holding against much higher dps.

[Ironos]

For pally, aoe threat is easy. A joke even.

That wasn't my point, and flash spam is never, ever good advice as it does literally nothing productive aside from holding aggro. And if, like I said, you have two mDPS single targeting two different targets, you will lose your threat lead through just flash spam.

I'm not a moron (and I'd appreciate it if you didn't treat me so), and haven't lost aggro, but you can't deny that our aggro generation is noticeably worse now. Besides, before 3.2 you'd need maybe 1 or 2 flashes (in full STR) to hold aggro, the fact that you're suggesting 4-5 kind of proves my point.

Also, aoe enmity is easy for all tanks. PLD actually has the worst of it since Flash can't crit, doesn't scale with FoF, and is undesirable due to its lack of damage.

[Sarcatica]

For pally, aoe threat is easy. A joke even.

And to be clear, my pallys ilvl is only now at 193 with a 210 weapon, holding against much higher dps.

Just to say, skill > gear. Any DPS-ers can have all the gear they can get, but if they aren't good, they will NEVER pull aggro off any tank, quoting shit 500dps blablabla.

And to say, you don't ever need that much enmity lead. It's a point that has been raised many times, spamming too much halones = way less dps. Do your math. It's not just "OH I AM TANK, I WILL JUST TAKE AGGRO, MY JOB AIN'T TO DPS" kind of game.

[eagledorf]

Start every pull with either rampart or conv because you don't want to be THAT guy. Then Flash spam. Do this until you are about 2k mp. 4-5 flashes.

This is absolutely the wrong way to play Paladin. You should try to use Flash in such a way as to maximize the length of time you get the Blind debuff, then avoid Flash as much as possible because it does nothing useful after that.

Because you have the Blind debuff and because you want to use your MP as fast as possible, it's preferable to not use Rampart at the pull unless necessary and use Clemency as soon as possible, then use it around when the Blind wears out and you start spreading your DoT, recovering MP for more Clemency casts. Of course depending on the size of the pull you might Rampart at the pull and then use something strong like Sentinel at that later point, but basically you get my point.

If the hate has been reduced enough to require Flash spamming, I think that's a terrible thing. That removes all the interest from PLD tanking. Incidentally, I haven't noticed a huge difference and can still tank in SwO, but using any more hate skills at all is a very heavy penalty on PLD since it's a disproportionate DPS loss and Flash even reduces your self-healing.